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A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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I measured the Gflops/W and the big cores give 2.5 which compared to f.ex. raspberry 4 at 2 is not revolutionary. What gives the M1 an edge is also it's weakest point: proprietary designs, it cannot run things like Unity or Java Minecraft that require generic x86 CISC to run well. From my perspective the only hope apple has is linux reverse engineering the GPU to allow OpenGL.

Unity released native Editor for Apple Silicone recently.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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No matter whether you're a fan of ARM, amd64, or something else, this helps everyone. The leaps that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA will have to take to even just stay in the same range as Apple will help everyone. Competition is good!

I wonder, is it actually competition? Apple will never sell any of their Chips to OEM partners so they will have to make do with whatever AMD, Intel, nVidia, Qualcomm, etc. sell. Will it actually lead to more people choosing a MacBook than any other Laptop? With these prices I‘m not so sure.

Yes, it is competition. Whether people buy it immediately or not, the other CPU/GPU companies are going to take notice.

Beyond that, the M1 directly replaced an Intel chip, and that Intel’s CEO has already said he wants to win back Apple’s business (as unlikely as that seems).

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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post #20

I measured the Gflops/W and the big cores give 2.5 which compared to f.ex. raspberry 4 at 2 is not revolutionary. What gives the M1 an edge is also it's weakest point: proprietary designs, it cannot run things like Unity or Java Minecraft that require generic x86 CISC to run well. From my perspective the only hope apple has is linux reverse engineering the GPU to allow OpenGL.

Unity released native Editor for Apple Silicone recently.

Ok, have you had time to try it out?

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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post #20

I measured the Gflops/W and the big cores give 2.5 which compared to f.ex. raspberry 4 at 2 is not revolutionary. What gives the M1 an edge is also it's weakest point: proprietary designs, it cannot run things like Unity or Java Minecraft that require generic x86 CISC to run well. From my perspective the only hope apple has is linux reverse engineering the GPU to allow OpenGL.

Have you actually tried playing Minecraft on the M1 laptops? It certainly outperforms any laptop I’ve ever played Minecraft on, especially if you use native Java and native lwjgl. Even under Rosetta, I experienced a smooth 60 fps at native settings.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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No matter whether you're a fan of ARM, amd64, or something else, this helps everyone. The leaps that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA will have to take to even just stay in the same range as Apple will help everyone. Competition is good!

I wonder, is it actually competition? Apple will never sell any of their Chips to OEM partners so they will have to make do with whatever AMD, Intel, nVidia, Qualcomm, etc. sell. Will it actually lead to more people choosing a MacBook than any other Laptop? With these prices I‘m not so sure.

>Will it actually lead to more people choosing a MacBook than any other Laptop? With these prices I‘m not so sure.

Not MacBook Pro, but MacBook Air.

The MacBook Air starts at $999. And if anyone has been paying a little more attention one may discover MBA discount is unusually high compared to previous Intel MBA. Education MBA M1 are going at $899 and in some cases $799. The lowest retail discount on MBA goes down to $800 on Amazon.

Basically because the BOM cost advantage and margin on M1 MBA are higher. At this price M1 MBA are selling as fast as they could make them. And Apple could afford to lower the official price of MBA M1 to $899 once newer M2 MBA ( or MacBook ) are out. Compared to the PC industry, not only do they not have anything as fast, as good experience, their BOM cost are also higher due to Intel or AMD chip pricing.

I think once the transition has settled, Apple will announce their 120M Mac active Mac user next year.

While I made this predictions of BOM cost advantage way back in 2014, this actually makes me rather sad because PC has nothing left to fight the Mac. They have nothing on the roadmap. And Apple is no longer the same company as they were in 2014.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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It is good for industry in the long term. With all the rumors, obviously I can't wait for Microsoft to release a Surface of their own with fanless design and custom chips.

It's not easy to beat Intel, AMD and Qualcomm at their own game. I would estimate at least 5 year timeline if any company wants to come close to them. Apple had an advantage that they were able to use iPhone which were built first for low power usage as a good testing ground for the chip(iPhone chip were around 60-70% faster in single core than any Android phones).

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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No matter whether you're a fan of ARM, amd64, or something else, this helps everyone. The leaps that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA will have to take to even just stay in the same range as Apple will help everyone. Competition is good!

I wonder, is it actually competition? Apple will never sell any of their Chips to OEM partners so they will have to make do with whatever AMD, Intel, nVidia, Qualcomm, etc. sell. Will it actually lead to more people choosing a MacBook than any other Laptop? With these prices I‘m not so sure.

> With these prices I‘m not so sure.

The prices are completely in line with other professional laptops such as dell xps line.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unity released native Editor for Apple Silicone recently.

Ok, have you had time to try it out?

It's great? it literally twice as fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQdSHNmoIo https://twitter.com/_kzr/status/1402636826578362368

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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How long will it take that all software is just as slow again and the fans are spinning constantly?

Given we are already using browsers as cross platform gui environments, I don't think applications can get more bloated unless everyone starts integrating 3d effects into all their apps.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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No matter whether you're a fan of ARM, amd64, or something else, this helps everyone. The leaps that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA will have to take to even just stay in the same range as Apple will help everyone. Competition is good!

I see Qualcomm to be a better competitor to Apple. They already have experience building custom cores and NUVIA acquisition should help with performance. x86(Even Ryzen) is hardly as power efficient as ARM.

Is the efficiency really that depend on the architecture (x86 vs arm64)? I always thought Apples lead comes from things like the little big approach and the lower transistor size. Can someone elaborate?
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