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In fairness, we're only hearing one side of the argument here. It's easy enough for anyone to say they're hard-working diligent team players, but we don't know if they're getting the work done! Don't get me wrong, Google are notoriously nasty when you get on the wrong side of management, but to start claiming discrimination is a bit fresh.
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Not the best move but at the same time what else is there she can do? Being young, in your "dream job" and then being told "there’s someone waiting outside to collect your corp devices" without any real explanation. It's 100% HR + Managers fault that this situation has escalated to this. If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. This whole "don't say anything bad about X, it will reflect ba…
> If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. If a future employer checks and see she was asking people to go and harass her former managers and HR, it'd reflect pretty badly on her; I know I wouldn't want her in my team. And as for what she can do, isn't wrongful termination illegal? Like she could instead open a civil case against Google
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Admittedly, being fired when on an h1b visa is stupendously stressful because you need to get a new job immediately or be booted from the country. Opening a civil case won't achieve any rapid goal of getting employment. We'll see whether this strategy helps or hurts. There are enough people out there who really don't like Google that I would not be surprised if this sort of strategy allows for rapid connection to the…
I don't think calling for harassement would help getting a new job (unlike the rest of her complaints)
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Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.
Not at all, ALWAYS name the bad managers ... it's the only way they will face repercussions, and the only way to deter others from following in their footsteps.
Assuming this one-sided story to be true, let this serve as yet another reminder that Human Resources is designed to protect the employer - not the employee. The cynic in me would go so far as to say one should generally avoid reporting anything to HR at all costs. It almost never works out the way one would hope.
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I still think there’s a problem. If they are smart enough to go through the infamous circles of interviews at the fucking google and be deemed worthy, then work through the circles of immigration hell, and then you see they are working hard but not smart enough, I dunno, have you tried talking to them? It’s not like they became stupid overnight.
I don’t think getting through interviews at Google implies anything more than being good at getting through interviews at Google.
I mean, you know and I know that passing exhausting interviews and actually doing work are two distinct skills (I, for one, blanket refuse to apply for any and all jobs where there are more than two interviews), but it seems that some large companies think they know better than that. Well, they can cry me a river.
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Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.
Not at all, ALWAYS name the bad managers ... it's the only way they will face repercussions, and the only way to deter others from following in their footsteps.
Name-and-shame is... random. I've never been hit, but the people I've seen hit... It hasn't had much to do with them, so much as with the people doing the shaming.
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A friend from India is a recent immigrant (arrived on H1-B) and is now a US citizen. He is working for a company that also has a lot of fellow indians on H1-B visa. His salary is rougly 50% higher (for the same profile), and he gets to go home by 6 PM while they still slog with all the extra work they are expected to do.
Ignoring the fact that H-1B visa holders have to be paid a “prevailing wage”, which makes extremely difficult for them to be 50% underpaid, are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers for well over ten years? I have know Indians who, after almost two decades in the country, finally managed to get ahold a green card. Most I have worked with, have been on H-1B visas fo…
> are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers for well over ten years?
I have no idea where you got that idea from. He married a US citizen, and became one himself after a few years. As soon as he became a US citizen, he got an offer from an indian IT consultancy firm with a pay hike of $75,000 based on his multi-national experience / expertise and, ofcourse, the fact that he was a US citizen.
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Ignoring the fact that H-1B visa holders have to be paid a “prevailing wage”, which makes extremely difficult for them to be 50% underpaid, are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers for well over ten years? I have know Indians who, after almost two decades in the country, finally managed to get ahold a green card. Most I have worked with, have been on H-1B visas fo…
"Prevailing wage" doesn't mean equal wages because there's no such thing - there's a payscale for every position, and it is different in every company. And H1-B visa holders invariably get the lower end of the payscale (often the lowest). This ends up being even lower when they arrive through indian IT consultancy firms. > are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers…
I went through this process, and when they calculated the prevailing wage for my position, it was a number, not a range. It is calculated as the average of wages for all similar positions, in the same place of employment, and there is a minimum of $60,000, as far as I understand, at least for H-1B visas.
If a company were to pay less to visa holders than to their peers, it would be committing fraud.
> I have no idea where you got that idea from. He married a US citizen, and became one himself after a few years.
Essentially, because applying for US citizenship takes several years. Green card through marriage may take up to 3 years, and US citizenship takes at least another 5, so that may make around 8 years. I assumed your friend came to the US as a professional with a H-1B visa, and went down the full process, from H-1B, to green card, to citizenship, which, for an Indian national, may take even decades.
Point is, if this person was making around the same amount of money as recently arrived visa holders, even after several years in the US, and only started receiving better wages with a change in citizenship status, there must be something else to it. Either way, it seems strange that a H-1B holder would stay in a position for many years, without no effective wage increases at all.
> As soon as he became a US citizen, he got an offer from an indian IT consultancy firm with a pay hike of $75,000 based on his multi-national experience / expertise and, ofcourse, the fact that he was a US citizen.
Sadly, that is the modus operandi of certain IT consultancy firms, especially Indian ones.
It may be fraud. It is not like this has not happened before[1][2]. But this does not mean that the system rules are broken, it may mean that the enforcement of such rules is inadequate.
To clarify, earning $75,000 more than people in a similar position is not fraud per se, but people making less than the mandatory average is. And given that H-1B visa holders must make at least $60,000, I'm not capable of understanding how this company calculates prevailing wages without committing blatant fraud.
[1] https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/technolo...
[2] https://theworld.org/stories/2014-01-02/indian-tech-worker-h...