"My employment at Google was terminated abruptly" • Hacker News Board

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by UncleMeat » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 12:34 PM UTC

Ecstatify wrote: post #17

evgen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naming their manager in twitter complaint and then asking people to spam every node in the org chart from their manager up to Sundar. Yeah, that is going to get the results you want...

Not the best move but at the same time what else is there she can do? Being young, in your "dream job" and then being told "there’s someone waiting outside to collect your corp devices" without any real explanation. It's 100% HR + Managers fault that this situation has escalated to this. If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. This whole "don't say anything bad about X, it will reflect ba…

This is a weird one. Google is notoriously slow to fire people for performance reasons. People get Needs Improvement ratings. They go on PIPs. It takes ages. A sudden termination typically means something else. This can either mean that the individual did something especially foolish or a lot of people are doing the wrong thing to get this person fired (a manager, a skip, some people in HR, and probably a director would be involved in this sort of thing).

But the complaints here seem to be related to performance management. Getting a frustratingly low rating. Being told that they aren't doing enough work. For this sort of situation I'd expect the firing process to take months.

"CME for missing a meeting" is strange, but the good news is that manager calibration notes are stored in durable systems and in many locales people have the legal right to see them. So it'd be possible to see if this was actually the reason for a rating.

We'll see if more information comes out.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by kordlessagain » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

I always say “congratulations” to people who have been fired or let go from a job. While the process itself can be painful, the act of letting go of one part of our lives and moving on to the next can be an opportunity to grow and find lasting joy. Hanging on will just bring suffering and delay the joy that is possible!

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by 0xy » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #21

Ecstatify wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the best move but at the same time what else is there she can do? Being young, in your "dream job" and then being told "there’s someone waiting outside to collect your corp devices" without any real explanation. It's 100% HR + Managers fault that this situation has escalated to this. If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. This whole "don't say anything bad about X, it will reflect ba…

This is a weird one. Google is notoriously slow to fire people for performance reasons. People get Needs Improvement ratings. They go on PIPs. It takes ages. A sudden termination typically means something else. This can either mean that the individual did something especially foolish or a lot of people are doing the wrong thing to get this person fired (a manager, a skip, some people in HR, and probably a director wo…

The individual was very likely on a PIP. They mentioned "performance issues". It could've went on for months.

If a manager really wants you gone they can manufacture evidence and have you yanked quickly by constructing unobtainable and/or subjective PIP targets.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by 0xy » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

kordlessagain wrote: post #22

I always say “congratulations” to people who have been fired or let go from a job. While the process itself can be painful, the act of letting go of one part of our lives and moving on to the next can be an opportunity to grow and find lasting joy. Hanging on will just bring suffering and delay the joy that is possible!

Choose a path, oh fired one.

Path A) Publicly call out your manager by name and encourage people to spam senior leaders who had literally nothing to do with it and didn't know you existed.

Path B) Leetcode and have 10 interviews lined up by next week, since you're obviously competent enough to get hired at Google.

Path A is the wrong answer, and really self destructive. The worship of Google and other FAANG companies needs to stop. It's pathetic frankly.

Google isn't even in the top tier in terms of compensation anymore. You can earn 20-50% more at equivalent levels at tier 2 companies just below FAANGs.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by l33tc0de » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

1. If she was the one who initiated HR complaint against her manager, she should have started keeping proofs on a separate device (other than her work laptop). It's a mistake if she didn't do so.

2. Naming names on twitter reflects very badly for her for future opportunities. But, she is ex google and should not have trouble finding a new job

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by WesolyKubeczek » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #18

webmobdev wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend from India is a recent immigrant (arrived on H1-B) and is now a US citizen. He is working for a company that also has a lot of fellow indians on H1-B visa. His salary is rougly 50% higher (for the same profile), and he gets to go home by 6 PM while they still slog with all the extra work they are expected to do.

Ignoring the fact that H-1B visa holders have to be paid a “prevailing wage”, which makes extremely difficult for them to be 50% underpaid, are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers for well over ten years? I have know Indians who, after almost two decades in the country, finally managed to get ahold a green card. Most I have worked with, have been on H-1B visas fo…

I think loopholes are possible and are being used whenever feasible. What if prevailing wage is uniformly low, it’s just that employees who are more equal than others receive bonuses?

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by entitlementgl » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:05 PM UTC

Quick look at “she/her” twotter profiles shows quite a bit of toxicity. The linked in profile shows mod to senior experience.

Her naming her manager proves the manager right. I’d take this worker to court asap for damaging my reputation and public harassment.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by throwaway33441h » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

Quick look at “she/her” twitter profile shows quite a bit of toxicity. The linked in profile shows mid to senior experience.

Her naming her manager proves the manager right. I’d take this worker to court asap for damaging my reputation and public harassment.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by baud147258 » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

Ecstatify wrote: post #17

evgen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naming their manager in twitter complaint and then asking people to spam every node in the org chart from their manager up to Sundar. Yeah, that is going to get the results you want...

Not the best move but at the same time what else is there she can do? Being young, in your "dream job" and then being told "there’s someone waiting outside to collect your corp devices" without any real explanation. It's 100% HR + Managers fault that this situation has escalated to this. If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. This whole "don't say anything bad about X, it will reflect ba…

> If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed.

If a future employer checks and see she was asking people to go and harass her former managers and HR, it'd reflect pretty badly on her; I know I wouldn't want her in my team.

And as for what she can do, isn't wrongful termination illegal? Like she could instead open a civil case against Google

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by UncleMeat » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:17 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #23

UncleMeat wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a weird one. Google is notoriously slow to fire people for performance reasons. People get Needs Improvement ratings. They go on PIPs. It takes ages. A sudden termination typically means something else. This can either mean that the individual did something especially foolish or a lot of people are doing the wrong thing to get this person fired (a manager, a skip, some people in HR, and probably a director wo…

The individual was very likely on a PIP. They mentioned "performance issues". It could've went on for months. If a manager really wants you gone they can manufacture evidence and have you yanked quickly by constructing unobtainable and/or subjective PIP targets.

It may depend on the org, but in my org at Google there is a ton of oversight in PIP construction. I've not ever personally seen unobtainable or subjective PIP targets.

It'd also be extremely odd to be on a PIP after receiving a Consistently Meets Expectations rating. Only a subset of Needs Improvement ratings actually get PIPs. CME, by definition, means that you are doing your job sufficiently.