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Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by UncleMeat »

baud147258 wrote: post #29
Ecstatify wrote: post #17

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Not the best move but at the same time what else is there she can do? Being young, in your "dream job" and then being told "there’s someone waiting outside to collect your corp devices" without any real explanation. It's 100% HR + Managers fault that this situation has escalated to this. If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. This whole "don't say anything bad about X, it will reflect ba…

> If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. If a future employer checks and see she was asking people to go and harass her former managers and HR, it'd reflect pretty badly on her; I know I wouldn't want her in my team. And as for what she can do, isn't wrongful termination illegal? Like she could instead open a civil case against Google

Admittedly, being fired when on an h1b visa is stupendously stressful because you need to get a new job immediately or be booted from the country. Opening a civil case won't achieve any rapid goal of getting employment. We'll see whether this strategy helps or hurts. There are enough people out there who really don't like Google that I would not be surprised if this sort of strategy allows for rapid connection to these people even if it sours most companies on this person.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by manuelabeledo »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #26
manuelabeledo wrote: post #18

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Ignoring the fact that H-1B visa holders have to be paid a “prevailing wage”, which makes extremely difficult for them to be 50% underpaid, are you suggesting that your friend has kept the same work profile as recently arrived workers for well over ten years? I have know Indians who, after almost two decades in the country, finally managed to get ahold a green card. Most I have worked with, have been on H-1B visas fo…

I think loopholes are possible and are being used whenever feasible. What if prevailing wage is uniformly low, it’s just that employees who are more equal than others receive bonuses?

If wages are low, H-1B workers wages would still be on par with those of their peers. It is already illegal to set wages otherwise.

There is a minimum prevailing wage per level, set by the government agency in charge, and bonuses and other incentives too count towards median annual wages.

The H-1B program is flawed, yes, but not for the reasons most people think of. It is effectively used by many IT consultancy companies, especially Indian ones, to bring workers to the US, and essentially keep them captive through several methods.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

#33

Post by WesolyKubeczek »

marcellus23 wrote: post #20
webmobdev wrote: post #11

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A friend from India is a recent immigrant (arrived on H1-B) and is now a US citizen. He is working for a company that also has a lot of fellow indians on H1-B visa. His salary is rougly 50% higher (for the same profile), and he gets to go home by 6 PM while they still slog with all the extra work they are expected to do.

Working hard or being motivated to work hard isn’t the same thing as being a good employee though. We’ve all known employees who work hard (or think they do) but don’t contribute much, or cause problems in other ways.

I still think there’s a problem. If they are smart enough to go through the infamous circles of interviews at the fucking google and be deemed worthy, then work through the circles of immigration hell, and then you see they are working hard but not smart enough, I dunno, have you tried talking to them? It’s not like they became stupid overnight.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by marcellus23 »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #33
marcellus23 wrote: post #20

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Working hard or being motivated to work hard isn’t the same thing as being a good employee though. We’ve all known employees who work hard (or think they do) but don’t contribute much, or cause problems in other ways.

I still think there’s a problem. If they are smart enough to go through the infamous circles of interviews at the fucking google and be deemed worthy, then work through the circles of immigration hell, and then you see they are working hard but not smart enough, I dunno, have you tried talking to them? It’s not like they became stupid overnight.

I don’t think getting through interviews at Google implies anything more than being good at getting through interviews at Google.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

#35

Post by pg_1234 »

andygrd wrote: post #6
andygrd wrote: post #4

In fairness, we're only hearing one side of the argument here. It's easy enough for anyone to say they're hard-working diligent team players, but we don't know if they're getting the work done! Don't get me wrong, Google are notoriously nasty when you get on the wrong side of management, but to start claiming discrimination is a bit fresh.

Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.

Not at all, ALWAYS name the bad managers ... it's the only way they will face repercussions, and the only way to deter others from following in their footsteps.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

#36

Post by pg_1234 »

blip54321 wrote: post #7
andygrd wrote: post #6

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Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.

Yeah. That was a bad call. Having been a manager, about 1/10th of employees had... issues. Those employees took up an inordinate amount of management time and especially energy. I don't know whether she or her manager were the problem; in most cases, it's 50/50. If I know a potential hire had issues before, it raises the risk of a hire a lot. I want to avoid that kind of employee. If they act unprofessionally after l…

well ... is it this Elizabeth Weber (https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethaweber/) because if so ... ex Amazon, so odds are toxic.

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by baud147258 »

UncleMeat wrote: post #31
baud147258 wrote: post #29

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> If a future employer asks for a reference from Google she's screwed. If a future employer checks and see she was asking people to go and harass her former managers and HR, it'd reflect pretty badly on her; I know I wouldn't want her in my team. And as for what she can do, isn't wrongful termination illegal? Like she could instead open a civil case against Google

Admittedly, being fired when on an h1b visa is stupendously stressful because you need to get a new job immediately or be booted from the country. Opening a civil case won't achieve any rapid goal of getting employment. We'll see whether this strategy helps or hurts. There are enough people out there who really don't like Google that I would not be surprised if this sort of strategy allows for rapid connection to the…

I don't think calling for harassement would help getting a new job (unlike the rest of her complaints)

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by rStar »

andygrd wrote: post #6
andygrd wrote: post #4

In fairness, we're only hearing one side of the argument here. It's easy enough for anyone to say they're hard-working diligent team players, but we don't know if they're getting the work done! Don't get me wrong, Google are notoriously nasty when you get on the wrong side of management, but to start claiming discrimination is a bit fresh.

Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.

name and shame. only way to change

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

#39

Post by rStar »

blip54321 wrote: post #7
andygrd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, publicly naming the manager is pretty bad karma. It's like they're anticipating or expecting some Twitter pile on.

Yeah. That was a bad call. Having been a manager, about 1/10th of employees had... issues. Those employees took up an inordinate amount of management time and especially energy. I don't know whether she or her manager were the problem; in most cases, it's 50/50. If I know a potential hire had issues before, it raises the risk of a hire a lot. I want to avoid that kind of employee. If they act unprofessionally after l…

don’t abuse your employees

Re: "My employment at Google was terminated abruptly"

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Post by rStar »

pg_1234 wrote: post #36
blip54321 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. That was a bad call. Having been a manager, about 1/10th of employees had... issues. Those employees took up an inordinate amount of management time and especially energy. I don't know whether she or her manager were the problem; in most cases, it's 50/50. If I know a potential hire had issues before, it raises the risk of a hire a lot. I want to avoid that kind of employee. If they act unprofessionally after l…

well ... is it this Elizabeth Weber ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethaweber/ ) because if so ... ex Amazon, so odds are toxic.

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