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AMP Has Irreparably Damaged Publishers’ Trust in Google-Led Initiatives

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Post by ajdude »

d3nj4l wrote: post #57
throaway46546 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear google outright punishes you for using Firefox with any of their services. Major annoyance for me right now is paste is broken on their terminal emulator when connecting to a Compute Engine VM instance over SSH.

Oh, they won't do it blatantly, but every thing will be broken in small, barely noticeable ways - just one feature here that uses a chrome-only non standard API, just one invisible div here that destroys performance on Firefox but not on Chrome - that add up to be annoying. I clearly remember when I had to use Google Sheets heavily for work, a bunch of small yet grating bugs pushed me over the edge into using Chrome…

I do not use the YouTube app on my iPhone, I only browse YouTube in a private window through Safari. And I notice little “inconveniences”. For example, I can’t drag the selector text over more than one word in the search bar like I can everywhere else. The videos will always default to the lowest quality setting, and only offer 720 P as the highest (even when logged in). When you auto play the next video in a playlist, the playlist loads that video, but the scroll location is all the way at the very top again. Google is really good at powdering lots of little inconveniences all over for you when you try to break away from them.

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Post by Grakel »

Havoc wrote: post #62
ashtonkem wrote: post #30

Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

>Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. And same rest of FAANG. Though Apple and Netflix still seem to be evil-lite for now

Maybe we should call it MANGA now.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #65
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #45

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Because they can. They have no competition. Like MS in the 90'. Don't worry, in 20 years, all their PR will say they are your best friend again. They will be the underdog for some unforseen reason, and will suddenly call for respecting your private life, encrypting everything and give power to the user. The way MS does it for open source today. It's the circle of life for corporations.

Perhaps now people understand why they were booted from China.

Google never wanted to enter that market under the current conditions.

( Give up your IP)

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Post by cerved »

MichaelJanssen wrote: post #42
cerved wrote: post #24

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how is this done in CSS?

AMP sites have a 8 seconds-delayed CSS animation on the body element, turning visibility from hidden to visible. This animation is turned off instantly (as far as I can say) by Javascript. However when you block Javascript entirely or block ampproject.org you have to endure the whole 8 seconds. I inject "body {animation: none !important}" into all pages to remedy this.

Is it possible to see this in action on desktop?

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Post by daanlo »

d3nj4l wrote: post #57
throaway46546 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear google outright punishes you for using Firefox with any of their services. Major annoyance for me right now is paste is broken on their terminal emulator when connecting to a Compute Engine VM instance over SSH.

Oh, they won't do it blatantly, but every thing will be broken in small, barely noticeable ways - just one feature here that uses a chrome-only non standard API, just one invisible div here that destroys performance on Firefox but not on Chrome - that add up to be annoying. I clearly remember when I had to use Google Sheets heavily for work, a bunch of small yet grating bugs pushed me over the edge into using Chrome…

I tried changing the users in our gsuite organization in safari a few years ago. Pretty much a core feature. And it was so broken on safari that I couldn‘t change the users.

I don‘t think it was malicious, but still incredibly bad considering gsuite/chrome connection.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

d3nj4l wrote: post #57
throaway46546 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear google outright punishes you for using Firefox with any of their services. Major annoyance for me right now is paste is broken on their terminal emulator when connecting to a Compute Engine VM instance over SSH.

Oh, they won't do it blatantly, but every thing will be broken in small, barely noticeable ways - just one feature here that uses a chrome-only non standard API, just one invisible div here that destroys performance on Firefox but not on Chrome - that add up to be annoying. I clearly remember when I had to use Google Sheets heavily for work, a bunch of small yet grating bugs pushed me over the edge into using Chrome…

I think what you write is true, as I experienced it myself seemingly being that way. And then you have that smug colleague, who uses Chrome "because it is so much faster" and wondering why you still use Firefox or alternatives.

No matter whether we ascribe it to evil or the sheer incompetence of Google engineers (the job which so many proud themselves for as in: "I worked at Google!" lol), it remains Google's fault and not the fault of things they subtlely try to push it to.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #45
Animats wrote: post #22

It was clear that Google had turned to the dark side when Eric Schmidt first spoke at the Search Engine Strategies conference in 2006. Until then, SEO was the enemy. Google and Yahoo had previously sponsored a conference in 2005 on squashing search engine spam. What's new is that Google has now managed to alienate ad-supported publishers, their paying customers, as well.

Because they can. They have no competition. Like MS in the 90'. Don't worry, in 20 years, all their PR will say they are your best friend again. They will be the underdog for some unforseen reason, and will suddenly call for respecting your private life, encrypting everything and give power to the user. The way MS does it for open source today. It's the circle of life for corporations.

This by no mean a defense of Googke et al...

To be fair, we (the public) have been complacent and complicit. We so often opt for convenience and "personalization" and "free" without pausing to consider the implications. We write it all off as inevitable even though that's not the case. Google and such will take that continue to nudge it further and further in their favor.

"The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" is an amazing - and sometimes boring :) - dive of both depth and breadth. It altered my lens for the better.

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/02/shoshana-zuboff-age-of-s...

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Post by wisniewskit »

DeathArrow wrote: post #69
thatguy0900 wrote: post #67

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Every Firefox thread is filled with how sucky Firefox is, too. Might be driving just as many people to stay on Chrome.

Recognizing that Firefox is sucky is the first step to make it unsucky.

Yet if all you ever do is talk about how sucky it is, then you're effectively just part of the PR wings of Firefox's competition.

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Post by Loic »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #46
benrapscallion wrote: post #39

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Seconded. As such, I’ve switched to Safari, DuckDuckGo, and Fastmail. But how does one escape their ubiquitous presence all over the web (Google analytics, ads)??? They’re like a creepy neighbor who keeps following you around.

I haven't used this method for Google, but I have blocked some other domains using hosts file entries. Here is an example for Google: https://superuser.com/questions/1135339/cant-block-connectio...

I am using and paying for NextDNS together with Firefox and uBlock Origin. Pretty painless setup.

It works pretty well and as I have setup NextDNS to be the DNS resolver used by my access point, the family get the benefits of it without knowing about it. On the mobile, you need to set it up as VPN, this adds clutter in the notifications area, my kids do not like that.

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Post by nostrebored »

grammarnazzzi wrote: post #64
ashtonkem wrote: post #30

Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

> The complaint states that AMP’s speed benefits “were also at least partly a result of Google’s throttling. Google throttles the load time of non-AMP ads by giving them artificial one-second delays in order to give Google AMP a ‘nice comparative boost.‘” Be evil.

As someone who cares about page load times and reads the news, I’ve never seen this
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