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Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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It’s crazy that money is such a huge incentive. Knowing that a cure for Covid is a potentially $100B market means you throw the kitchen sink at it. Imagine being this lab. Do you think they ever had trouble hiring an assistant? Buying new equipment? Getting bonuses? This environment must be fantastically different from the typical meat grinder of bio R&D.

Therefore how can you trust this drug? Follow the money! It’s just big science trying to propagate a pandemic to make more money!

If this sounds insane, we’ll ok just reflecting the common anti vax sentiments I hear on this web site (ugh).

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One of Pfizer's trial vendors falsified information. https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/fact-check-re... > The Pfizer Phase III trial involved 44,000 people and 153 locations. From August 2020 through Sept. 17, 2020 — when she was fired — Jackson told CBS 17 that Ventavia accounted for at least 1,200 of those people and accounted for three sites. The author of the BMJ piece is quoted as saying “people are…

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VAERS hasn't turned up anything like you're implying about the Pfizer vaccine.

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When hospitalization rates are down. In many metro areas the ICU are still full of un-vaccinated COVID patients, which means people with normal emergencies can't get a bed. Thus, COVID precautions are necessary to reduce the rate of infection to levels that do not overwhelm the healthcare system. And all those areas that have "returned to normal" are sending their COVID patients to regions that are still masking beca…

I am wary of stories like this. What you’re saying is probably true true in specific cases in the most populous cities in the country, but I don’t think it’s a general policy that makes sense across the board. I live in South Carolina & their Department of health website has great data. As of today, there are currently 551 Covid patients hospitalized statewide. 1280 ICU beds are occupied for a 76% utilization rate. O…

Maybe not today, but the peak of the most recent wave in South Carolina was in September and saw about 2500 people hospitalized statewide.

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Note that to make the overall risk of adverse effects from covid19 lower, any treatment that is taken after the onset of symptoms must be much more effective at preventing adverse effects in symptomatic patients compared to a vaccine. This is because the vaccine greatly reduces the probabilty of symptomatic infections, while the other treatments do not.

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My point was that we don’t know anything about the control. Age, BMI, health, vaccination status, sex. The effectiveness is very low.

> My point was that we don’t know anything about the control. Age, BMI, health, vaccination status, sex. This information will absolutely be part of the FDA's EUA process, and as such, it's a silly idea that Pfizer would've set up a study that doesn't account for these. > The effectiveness is very low. Bullshit.

Is regulatory capture not a thing anymore? Why do you trust this company?

https://corporatewatch.org/pfizer-six-scandals-to-remember/

1986: Pfizer had to withdraw an artificial heart valve from the market after defects led to it being implicated in over 300 deaths. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) withdrew its approval for the product in 1986 and Pfizer agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation after multiple lawsuits were brought against it.

2003: Pfizer has long been condemned for profiteering from AIDS drugs. In 2003 for example, it walked away from a licencing deal for its Rescriptor drug that would have made it cheaper for poorer countries.

2011: Pfizer was forced to pay compensation to families of children killed in the controversial Trovan drug trial. During the worst meningitis epidemic seen in Africa, in 1996, Pfizer ran a trial in Nigeria their new drug Trovan. Five of the 100 children who took Trovan died and it caused liver damage, while it caused lifelong disabilities in those who survived. But another group of 100 children were given the conventional “gold standard” meningitis antibiotic as a “control” group for comparison. Six of them also tragically died because, the families said, Pfizer had given them less than the recommended level of the conventional antibiotic in order to make Trovan look more effective.

2012: Pfizer had to pay around $1billion to settle lawsuits claiming its Prempro drug caused breast cancer. Prempro was used in hormone replacement therapy, usually for women going through the menopause. The settlements came after six years of trials and hardship for the women affected.

2013: Pfizer paid out $273 million to settle over 2,000 cases in the US that accused its smoking treatment drug Chantix of provoking suicidal and homicidal thoughts, self harm and severe psychological disorders. Pfizer was also accused of improperly excluding patients with a history of depression or other mental disturbances from trials for the drug. Later, in 2017, a coroner in Australia ruled that the drug had contributed to a man’s suicide. The man’s mother campaigned to change the label on the drug.

2020: Pfizer reached an agreement with thousands of customers of its depo-testosterone drug in 2018 after they sued it for increasing the likelihood of numerous issues, including heart attacks.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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If the consequence of not taking it is death, I think people would run to the front of the queue, though.

Soo, kinda like for a vaccine? (And to clarify what I am saying, even though the vaccine does prevent death, there is still considerable push back. Not sure why it will be different for this drug)

It’s not really like a vaccine. A vaccine is almost more abstract. You’re not sick, and to continue not being sick, take these shots.

With this treatment, you ARE sick. To become well, take these pills.

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Are you suggesting that every new molecule should be treated as if it were a prion?

I'm suggesting that sometimes a very small amount of a substance can cause catastrophic effects a decade later. That's why we do testing before we release drugs. And Pfizer isn't the hero here, they never have been. https://corporatewatch.org/pfizer-six-scandals-to-remember/ This list doesn't even include Celebrex. 1986: Pfizer had to withdraw an artificial heart valve from the market after defects led to it being im…

Are there any authorized or approved drugs that are taken over a short-term (say less than a month) that have been shown to cause long-term death?

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I hope this proves to be real going forward. The vaccination route seems to be hitting a deadend as a way to end the pandemic. The pill will have to be cheap and available over the counter, it makes no sense not to subsidize this.

They didn’t mention side effects at all.

True, OTOH unless the side effects are worse than covid, this is absolutely game changing

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> My point was that we don’t know anything about the control. Age, BMI, health, vaccination status, sex. This information will absolutely be part of the FDA's EUA process, and as such, it's a silly idea that Pfizer would've set up a study that doesn't account for these. > The effectiveness is very low. Bullshit.

Is regulatory capture not a thing anymore? Why do you trust this company? https://corporatewatch.org/pfizer-six-scandals-to-remember/ 1986: Pfizer had to withdraw an artificial heart valve from the market after defects led to it being implicated in over 300 deaths. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) withdrew its approval for the product in 1986 and Pfizer agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in compen…

You've already copypasta'ed me this elsewhere.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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One of Pfizer's trial vendors falsified information. https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/fact-check-re... > The Pfizer Phase III trial involved 44,000 people and 153 locations. From August 2020 through Sept. 17, 2020 — when she was fired — Jackson told CBS 17 that Ventavia accounted for at least 1,200 of those people and accounted for three sites. The author of the BMJ piece is quoted as saying “people are…

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Please don't misrepresent VAERS.

"Due to the program's open and accessible design and its allowance of unverified reports, incomplete VAERS data is often used in false claims regarding vaccine safety."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reportin...

VAERS is an unvetted database of adverse events that occur some time after a vaccine has been given. It does not mean that there is a causal link.

"CDC cautions that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.[5]"

Particularly, in the current pandemic, we vaccinated a LOT of sick and elderly patients, and we vaccinated them first, in almost unprecedented numbers. So VAERS will have a LOT of "adverse events", simply because the sick and elderly have a lot of these adverse events, vaccine or not.

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