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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

excuseme wrote: post #80
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

Have you ever asked yourself how Israel started to exist in the first place? Do you know how many Palestinians were killed and how many others become refugees until this day (since 1948) living in refugee camps in the West bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria? Rockets? Do you know that the Palestinians have been fighting since 1948 and for decades their only weapon was rocks? yes rocks. Did you ask yourself, why are the P…

Would Hamas win in a fair election?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by trasz »

systemvoltage wrote: post #64
m0zg wrote: post #3

Nowadays I take a look at the person's Twitter after reading their resume, just to see if they'd be more trouble than they're worth. I've passed on several candidates over the past few years because of the utterly imbecilic stuff they posted online. Why Google is not doing the same is a mystery to me. They already run background checks, and political affiliation, for better or worse, is not a protected class. Go be a…

I miss the 90's Silicon Valley. Laser focused on innovation and mostly liberatarian. I would kill to go back and rewind time. Currently, this place feels totalitarian on a cultural level. Can't express diverging views. Can't think from the fundamentals and seek truth. Can't criticize the person next to you. The game everyone seems to be playing is who is more woke than the person next to them. This whole thing escala…

Can’t express diverging views about the shape of Earth or how vaccines cause authism.

What you call “woke” is just a lowered tolerance to fringe theories in ethics, same way many people don’t tolerate fringe theories about cosmology or medicine.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by inglor_cz »

clavicat wrote: post #88
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

Notice how your defenses of Israel are identical to the colonial regimes of old. We’re progressive and secular and advanced and humane, not like those terrorist savages who attack us for no reason. The rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of the French justifying their hold on Algeria, or the Japanese over Korea, or the white settler regimes of Africa, or China over the Uighers. If you need it spelt out for you, i…

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are terrorist savages, though. Much like ETA, IRA etc. No need to sugarcoat terrorism in the name of self-determination. (For the record, Irgun or the Lehi Gang were terrorists too.)

Israel would find it much harder to keep control of Palestinian territory if their opponents quit the idea of violent jihad and turned to non-violence. Unlike China, Israel is a democratic and fairly small country, and obvious oppression of non-violent opponents would not fly there. Both the internal and the international pressures against the hawks would have become unbearable.

I know a fair share of Israelis. They aren't bloodthirsty conquerors and slavers. They are mostly afraid of pizzerias, schools and buses being bombed again, and it is not an irrational fear.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by MiguelX413 »

swarnie wrote: post #47
yosito wrote: post #7

I wonder what level of cognitive dissonance one must live with to work for a surveillance capitalist company while constantly taking activist stances against which customers that company works with.

I've always wondered how META employees justify their work, funnily enough they never seem to answer when asked, they just downvote to hide the question and move on.

what does META mean?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by inglor_cz »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #94
clavicat wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notice how your defenses of Israel are identical to the colonial regimes of old. We’re progressive and secular and advanced and humane, not like those terrorist savages who attack us for no reason. The rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of the French justifying their hold on Algeria, or the Japanese over Korea, or the white settler regimes of Africa, or China over the Uighers. If you need it spelt out for you, i…

Or maybe not everything was bad about "colonial regimes of old". At this point in history, it seems likely every human being is descendant of people who at some time conquered other people.

Very few contemporary nations (perhaps the Icelanders and some other remote island nations) took a pristine, empty land that belonged to no one.

Most of us live on graves and ruins of other civilizations or at least tribes. Much of that displacement was coerced or outright violent. Ironically, if the previous entity was obliterated completely (e.g. Carthage), there is no one left to nurture resentment.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

throwntoday wrote: post #115
qaq wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are all people holding opposing view point shills?

No just the ones that spread falsehoods meant to create the illusion that anything but total support is absurd.

Are all people with opposing views spreading falsehoods?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by colinb »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #105
qaq wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.

Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.

Ireland is always at the forefront of confronting bigotry in other places. Not so much at home. (((I))) am Irish. I live in Ireland. I like Ireland. But our social justice pretensions are no shinier than anyone else's.

Ask the travelers. Ask those on Direct Provision. Ask the people who got dumped in Ballymun with promises of parks and shops, only to be abandoned for decades.

FWIW, it seem clear to me that the Palestinians have got the nasty end of the stick and deserve better, as much as you or I do. If the only answer you have is one that means that all the Jews in Israel die (ala BSM though they don't yet have the guts to say so) then the Jews of Israel aren't gonna help you.

If they don't fight, what outcome do you see?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by colinb »

qaq wrote: post #106
mysecretaccount wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.

I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.

I live in Ireland and although (((I))) might be more sensitive to it than you, I think it comes up quite a lot. A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. The opinion pieces, letters pages, and of course Reddit were alive with praise for her "bold and courageous stance".

This kind of thing comes up every few weeks, at least it does if you read the IT who's editorial policies have a pretty clear slant on this - as is completely their right - even if I don't much like it.

This week the attention was on the Minister of Foreign Affairs and his dislike of Israel's recent classification of several NGOs as terrorist organizations.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by yosito »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #125
swarnie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always wondered how META employees justify their work, funnily enough they never seem to answer when asked, they just downvote to hide the question and move on.

what does META mean?

Meta means you haven't been on the internet in the last few weeks.
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