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Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
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Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
A therapist can only help you if you don't understand yourself or your situation (they can help to make sense of it by helping you to unlock new information). But I understand my situation perfectly. I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it... In which case why would I want such shallow person as a therapist? If I want to unlearn information, maybe o…
> I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it Don't worry, they'll quickly recognize the neurotic narcissism and respond appropriately.
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#73After discovering that I'm "poly", whatever that means, I realized that there is absolutely no point for me to "sever" my relationships or "break up" and transition tht person into an "ex". I've decided to keep all my relationships working and sustain them as much as possible, within sane reason. (I heard a poem read once about giving away the key to one's heart to someone, but refusing to change the lock, so that al…
In any case i also share your question how people can put into a generic “my terrible exes” bucket even people that they loved deeply and could at least have some basic communication or interests in the future.
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#74After discovering that I'm "poly", whatever that means, I realized that there is absolutely no point for me to "sever" my relationships or "break up" and transition tht person into an "ex". I've decided to keep all my relationships working and sustain them as much as possible, within sane reason. (I heard a poem read once about giving away the key to one's heart to someone, but refusing to change the lock, so that al…
> After discovering that I'm "poly" Interesting. How did you come to discover this?
I remember reading a story about a very limited open relationship when I was about 12, and thinking, gosh, why don't they open it up MORE instead of running away at first sign of difficulty?
(The plot was that this couple had "base rules" that they could have sex with anyone they wanted, but ONLY ONCE, and NO FEELINGS ALLOWED. You can guess what happened.)
Later, I just came to love more than one person, and after struggling with trying to make sense of it, I decided that I didn't want to choose, and I would do whatever it takes to make it work somehow.
I started reading all sorts of books about making relationships work, and applying what I learned. I can't say it was easy, but it was much less painful and more rewarding than what to me seems like cutting off an arm because you can't be bothered to learn how to use it in coordination with your other arm.
Later, I found out that my grandparents actually had somewhat of an open relationship, although it was obviously much more difficult back then and in a conservative society, so perhaps it is just in my genes?
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#75After discovering that I'm "poly", whatever that means, I realized that there is absolutely no point for me to "sever" my relationships or "break up" and transition tht person into an "ex". I've decided to keep all my relationships working and sustain them as much as possible, within sane reason. (I heard a poem read once about giving away the key to one's heart to someone, but refusing to change the lock, so that al…
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you dont mind me asking, where do you live? City wise..
I lived in different cities in Australia (which I assume is similar to the US)... Schools there are full of bullies and cliques (if that's an indication of how cruel the average person is). Actually I did meet a 'soulmate' eventually (a foreigner actually) and married them but looking back now, I think it was like winning the lottery. I had to make so many compromises but it has been worth it. Extreme hardship is the…
Most people keep themselves occupied with other stuff (work, family, hobbies, work) so they don't really ruminate on this stuff.
And hell, how's anyone supposed to have deep and meaningful relationships nowadays? Too much work, too many things to do, too little time, too little money.
Most of the deepest friendships people make are from their years in childhood. Back during a time when everyone was young, not so emotionally-walled off, and had all the time in the world to waste. And if you miss that boat, well that sucks.
If you really sit down and looked around, life sucks from an absolute standpoint. Your dreams and ideals get beaten out of you year-by-year. All those pieces of you that made you human, slowly squashed under the weight of life. Either you lower your standards or you keep holding on, knowing you'll probably spend the rest of your life chasing something that'll always slip right out of your hands.
And then synaptic pruning kicks in, and you slowly stop giving a shit.
Year-by-year, it stops mattering.
Year-by-year, all that suffering fades away, until all that's left is a dark fog floating off into the past -- taking with it emotions and thoughts that you'll never feel again.
Things don't really bother you anymore. Sure, they may spark a feeling here and there, but it dissipates quickly, and you're back to a tranquil baseline.
And now with your emotions all dried up, so too does all sense of purpose or direction go with it. Sure feeling like shit sucks, but so does not being able to feel passion or exuberance.
So what's there left to do? Where will you find a guiding light? Well, you've got bills to pay, atleast one mouth to feed, and a crack-addict of a nervous system that needs its next dopamine fix.
Only way to satisfy all that nagging is to go out and make money. Get those dolla bills to keep you filled.
It doesn't make your heart sing, but being able to live under a roof, with a full stomach, and a little bit of free time scratches some itch: "I'm comfortable. I want to stay like this."
So you go out and you make some more money, but now you're bored. Yeah a roof over your head, and a full stomach, and some time to kill is nice, but that itch is still there. It's not as frenetic as a real emotion, but it's the only thing you feel right now, and it just keeps on nagging: "I need more."
So you go out, make a little bit more money; see those numbers go up in your bank account and something about it feels right.
You've now got a bigger roof over your head, a faint hint of discernment for cookery, and some more expensive ways to waste time.
But that itch is back at it again: "is this really it? Is this all my life's gonna be?"
Now you're getting bored of all these material things, and decide to go "back out there." Heaven knows you haven't had any real or meaningful interaction with people in years.
Then you meet some one, and slowly but surely, you start feeling strange. Colors are brighter, everything seems to have a pleasant aura around it, and this is the first time you've actually smiled involuntarily in a long time.
Slowly that wall gets demolished, brick by brick.
And before you know it, life hands you an accident. Normally, you'd be momentarily peeved about surprises, but something's different this time: you're OK with it.
Everything is great. That's something you haven't thought in a very long time.
Then 9 months down the road that happy accident turns into a stormy ordeal -- momentarily.
But when it passes, as it always does, there's something wonderful with the world that day. You feel like "this is it." This is how life should feel like. You've reached the highest high in your life.
And then comes 2 more decades.
They're filled with grief, strife, anguish -- many times all at the same time.
It's not like it was the time long ago. This time you feel like it's something you should see through.
And so you do.
2 decades come and go. How quick time flies.
You've steeled yourself through it, and made it out alive. Perhaps not without a few bruises, and few more walls, but alive you are.
Not as alive as you were on that day 2 decades ago, but still kicking.
And the days go by, the phone rings less and less, and so too your emotions.
In no time, you're back where you started, with that itch right by your side: "is this it?"
If you were unlucky, and that accident turned into an unhappy one, then yes, this is it.
You don't have any energy left.
Your body is old. It nags and groans in the mornings. It nags and groans all day.
Surely your special someone feels the same.
Outright on their face? No. They've built up the same walls you have, and now you're merely there because all your acquaintances have gone.
But in their heart of hearts, they are the same.
You want to feel indignant, to scream and shout, to feel something, to know that you're still alive.
But it's gone. You've crossed your peak 40 years ago.
How much time is left?
Who knows.
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#77After discovering that I'm "poly", whatever that means, I realized that there is absolutely no point for me to "sever" my relationships or "break up" and transition tht person into an "ex". I've decided to keep all my relationships working and sustain them as much as possible, within sane reason. (I heard a poem read once about giving away the key to one's heart to someone, but refusing to change the lock, so that al…
If all of your exes are still significant parts of your life, how do you determine who will look after the kids when you are busy with work or aren't feeling well? Are they all willing to engage in major parental roles, and to take those roles seriously?
In fact, a two-parent family seems barely sustainable to me, precisely because of what you said: If one person so much as gets the flu, suddenly there's one adult taking care of both the kids and the recovering adult.
With more than two on duty, it can significantly soften the impact.
And, again, I technically don't have any "exes", only perhaps dormant relationships. :)
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But I understand my situation perfectly. I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it Or, and here is a radical thought, you don’t perfectly understand the complexities of human relationships. Maybe your arrogance and narrow world view lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy that also serves to validate your world view. See a therapist.
This person doesn't want to see a therapist and as such shouldn't go see one. While I understand the sentiment, a therapists job isn't to change this guy's world view. A therapist is supposed to help people with the problems they want help with. (This person doesn't believe that they have a problem, it seems.)
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#79I don't think we do. As the article notes, these are not new concepts - the Greeks had four words for different types of loves, as recently as 50 years ago they were still known and understood in pop culture [1] It is a recent invention that has us all confused. The rush to validate the gay rights movement has pushed people far beyond their comfort zone, and the culture war has put pressure on people to assert their…
Niobe Way comes to similar conclusions in Deep Secrets: Boys’ Friendships and the Crisis of Connection but I’m not sure I’d pin it on a shift in religion but the hyper-sexualization of society that started in the 60’s where every intimate relationship was primarily defined in the context of sex. Today much of the language and expressions of intimate relationships has been entirely co-opted and has sexual overtones co…
Call it Queer, call it Progressive, call it Woke or whatever - It's religion.
Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Niobe Way comes to similar conclusions in Deep Secrets: Boys’ Friendships and the Crisis of Connection but I’m not sure I’d pin it on a shift in religion but the hyper-sexualization of society that started in the 60’s where every intimate relationship was primarily defined in the context of sex. Today much of the language and expressions of intimate relationships has been entirely co-opted and has sexual overtones co…
I'm saying that the hyper-sexualization is a religion, or at least part of one. It is part of a series of memes that redefine all human relationships in terms of "Power", some nebulous concept that does not really map to the way humans interact except in a very weird misunderstanding of second-order effects. Call it Queer, call it Progressive, call it Woke or whatever - It's religion.