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Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by cdrini »

b3morales wrote: post #318
skeeter2020 wrote: post #279

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unlimited private repos for free if this is a concern?

I don't entirely trust that they will remain excluded from Copilot in future. This probably isn't the place to re-litigate this discussion, but GitHub's claim is that source licenses simply do not apply to what Copilot ingests. That being the case, the only thing that distinguishes private repos in this context is a thin policy that can be changed at a whim (and perhaps without any announcement). Also, one of the rea…

I think it's _exceptionally_ unlikely they would use copilot in private repos. Not for licensing issues, but for security issues. People include secrets all the time in private repos. Trying to get an AI that can train on that sort of data, but avoid including these secrets would be a technical nightmare, and they'd get sued as soon a secret inevitably leaked out. And they have no incentive to; there's _plenty_ of data available in public GitHub to make copilot amazing. And they have access to that data in a way no other company does, so competition is going to be waaaays away.

Outside of that, I see copilot like the future of search engines. Instead of searching for plain text matches, it lets you search for abstract and complicated patterns. The killer feature for me would be seeing for a given suggestion (or search result), where the suggestion was derived from, linking back to the code snippet in GitHub.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by mschuster91 »

zerkten wrote: post #360
mschuster91 wrote: post #352

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> They also went the extra-mile to block Iranian developers, they didn't have to do so much police, and probably tried to buy their redemption. US sanctions, even the threat thereof, are serious business . To this day, US nationals or US tax persons are having a really hard time finding a bank in Europe that is willing to deal with them because many banks don't want any exposure to the US FATCA they can avoid. I had…

I'm curious how they discover this if they are trying to stay so distant from US authorities. If you have EU citizenship which is what I assume here then presenting the Greek passport and supporting local documents isn't enough? Or, is it the case that something local like a missing local tax number, or even an accent telegraphed the situation. With the US, it feels like everything is much more uniform with the tie b…

On bank forms you are asked to provide all your citizenships, tax IDs and explicitly if you are an "US person" covered by FATCA.

Lying on these forms is punishable under our AML/KYC regulations and exposes you to civil liability for damages.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by toast0 »

rvnx wrote: post #297
AriaMinaei wrote: post #263

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Iranian dev here. I can tell you if a company goes the extra mile to provide services to us, the reason is almost always that they just care. It's not a marketing tactic. You have to care if you go through all that trouble. And there is very little publicity to these acts. No one is going to notice it but us. They only do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

They also went the extra-mile to block Iranian developers, they didn't have to do so much police, and probably tried to buy their redemption. For example, in theory Hackernews should block Iranians, but they will probably pretend not to be aware and won't actively chase them.

Hacker News probably falls under the general license for personal communications, etc. Github is not really personal communications, so caution is warranted, at least a bit. Rsync.net doesn't really provide personal communications either, IMHO, and it seems reasonable for them to not do business with people in Iran unless rsync.net obtains a specific license or finds a different general license they fit into.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by hoseja »

yongjik wrote: post #175
systemvoltage wrote: post #83

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There is one particular corporate leader who speaks their mind and has made a tremendous impact on the world. So, it's not clear if it has anything to do with polished big-corp language. I'd rather listen to someone who is straightforward than Sundar Pichai speaking entirely in corporate-speak while saying absolutely nothing of value or substance. Completely uninspiring. All corporate speak is rather an invention of…

Can't deny that Musk is an incredibly successful man, but if it's the choice between Sundar Pichai's corporate speech and someone who attacks a rescue expert as "pedo guy" because his ego is hurt, I'd rather work for Pichai. I mean, if we can excuse Musk's behavior as "So what? His companies have been incredibly successful," then, fine, but why can't we say the same for other CEOs? Other CEOs at least have a good sen…

It was an old white SEA expat who attacked him first. And calling him "rescue expert" is charitable to say the least.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by skc »

yepthatsreality wrote: post #397
unreal37 wrote: post #389

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Microsoft acquired Skype more than 10 years ago... Surely they screwed up the massive lead in the space that Skype had, but I can't say they "EEE"'d it. It was just badly run.

Poor management/neglect is part of the extinguish step.

So, purposely?

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by throwbacktictac »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #326
skeeter2020 wrote: post #277

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I don't see it. MS has Azure DevOps for their Ms-specific stack and Enterprise. GH is the closed source app where people come to do open source, and way too valuable as-is.

Bingo. This is precisely my point. I think they're going to phase out DevOps and replace it with GitHub in their lineup.

In the grand scheme of things it does make sense to focus on one or the other. However, they better execute this with precision because they risk interrupting big business in both products

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by hnbad »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #206
jillesvangurp wrote: post #184

As acquisitions go, this has probably been one of the best executed ones in recent history. MS deserves a lot of credit for having managed that very well. And I'm sure a lot of that is also due to Nat's management.

I'll take the "con" side. A lot of the core Rubyists left for Shopify after the sale, and I'm sure Nat had a contract to stay on for X amount of time, where Microsoft would make no major changes. Now that this is expiring, I fully expect Microsoft to start making changes with the site that will appeal to large corporations, at the expense of what I would prefer, as an individual user. I guess time will tell.

> Microsoft to start making changes with the site that will appeal to large corporations, at the expense of what I would prefer, as an individual user

So exactly what GitHub tried to do before the acquisition?

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by az226 »

siva7 wrote: post #164
est31 wrote: post #87

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In 2018, MS had 110 billion USD in revenue, while Github had 200-300 million USD. So the Github business is <0.5% of MS's revenue.

They don't care about revenue at this league of acquisitions. It's all about strategic power and market share.

They absolutely care about revenue, but in the early innings it is not AS important. Strategic value is essentially enterprise value you haven’t quantified yet.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by toyg »

mehrdada wrote: post #402
toyg wrote: post #371

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The Iranian system also has some democratic legitimacy. Yes, the religious authority is supreme, but it's not as overtly tyrannical as the average dictatorial regimes: the religious ruler is himself elected by an assembly (similarly to what happens with the Catholic Pope), and the secular executive branch is elected (although the religious element can pre-emptively stop pesky candidates from running altogether). Ther…

This characterization is ridiculous. Following the form does not make you “somewhat democratic,” nor does calling oneself Democratic People’s Republic. In addition, “the secular executive branch” comment is flat out wrong. The executive branch and candidates for presidency are explicitly obligated to believe and follow Islamic and Sharia laws.

> Following the form does not make you “somewhat democratic,”

In practice, there have been elected presidents that the religious element did not really like. They did not last, and were sabotaged at every turn, but they existed. Iran is a big country and it contains a number of different power-centres, unlike, for example, North Korea.

> In addition, “the secular executive branch” comment is flat out wrong.

Uh, no it isn't:

>> the religious element can pre-emptively stop pesky candidates from running altogether

Whether this is achieved by claiming they are unbelievers or corrupt, is irrelevant. Candidates can (and do) get purged before they get a chance, but the latter part of the process is fairly democratic (which is why occasionally the "wrong" candidates do win). One of the reasons for the increasingly low turnout in recent years is precisely that purges are getting more and more indiscriminate; Iranians are not all stupid, and won't engage when they think the process is meaningless. The "secular" qualifier is there because, in practice, that's what it is - a government that cares about economy, army, police, and administration.

Demonising everything is a recipe for being ignored, you should try understanding other points of view when you're trying to persuade.

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