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I think Dimension in the data sense of the word, not Dimension in the spatial sense of the word. Multi-dimension data is a thing, and it goes a lot higher than 4, 5, or 7.
>I think Dimension in the data sense of the word Where else is that used? At least to me (and the common layperson), the only usage seems to be from people trying to hype up storage mediums. also, if we're using that definition, does that mean I have a 7D SSD? The NAND cells are arranged on both the planar axis, and stacked (3d NAND). That's 3 dimensions. Each NAND cell also encodes data using various charge levels,…
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Slight nit-pick, but any number of dimensions can be reduced to one, using a pairing function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pairing_function or a space-filling curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve
Right. I don't immediately see how either of those would work for uncountable infinite sets, but it may be possible. Clearly some other limitations are required to make "dimensions" a useful metric in this context.
We can think of an N-dimensional space as a grid of (hyper)cube "cells":
- Cantor's pairing function traces diagonal lines through the top-right quadrant of a (countable) 2D grid
- We can extend Cantor pairing to the whole (countable) 2D plane by joining the diagonals of each quandrant (they meet at the axes). The resulting line spirals out from the origin, in a diamond shape.
- We can extend the 2D plane to higher dimensions, again by joining diagonals when they meet at the axes. This results in a diamond-shaped "shell" spiralling out from the origin.
The above gives us a 1D line which visits every cell one after another. Next we associate each unit-interval on our line with the cells we're traversing, i.e. the interval between 0 and 1 is associated with the 1st cell; the interval between 1 and 2 is associated with the 2nd cell; and so on. (We could also jump between positive and negative, like [0, 1), [-1, 0), [1, 2), [-2, -1), ... to include the negative half of our 1D line as well)
Finally, we use a space-filling curve, like a Z-curve, to map each interval to the volume of its associated grid cell. This works for uncountable intervals and cell volumes.
The result would be a line which starts at the origin, and gradually spirals outwards. From a distance, the line appears to form N-dimensional diamond-shaped 'shells'. If we look closer, we see each 'shell' has jagged edges, since it's formed of N-dimensional grid cells. If we look even closer, we see that the line traces a z-curve through each grid cell, filling its volume.
The above works for any pairing function and space-filling curve, although I've written about cantor pairing at http://chriswarbo.net/projects/procedural/cantor.html and z-curves at http://chriswarbo.net/projects/procedural/z.html :)
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Dimension in the data sense of the word, not Dimension in the spatial sense of the word. Multi-dimension data is a thing, and it goes a lot higher than 4, 5, or 7.
>I think Dimension in the data sense of the word Where else is that used? At least to me (and the common layperson), the only usage seems to be from people trying to hype up storage mediums. also, if we're using that definition, does that mean I have a 7D SSD? The NAND cells are arranged on both the planar axis, and stacked (3d NAND). That's 3 dimensions. Each NAND cell also encodes data using various charge levels,…
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I have been talking and asking about this for years. And was told about Archival Disc [1] on HN. 500GB per disc right now, and only came out in 2019. 1TB per disc in the future but I suspect not in the next two years. I wish they have a more consumer, or prosumer friendly version though. The current drive goes for about $9K [2] There are Archival BluRay disc that offer 50 + year storage, but they are only in ~50GB pe…
I have very little hope for the price for these things to come down to prosumer levels. The best I can hope for is for local libraries to have one available for use (although you need like 8 hours to fill the 5.5 TB maximum and they're so expensive you don't want to lend them out). However, I have very little hope for that as well since most consumers are just told to use the cloud.
Yes and I dont like it this trend at all. But it seems we dont have any other way to fight it.
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#75The other day I was talking with a friend about the high cost and perceived fragility of tape drives for long term personal archival while bemoaning the loss of higher density optical storage technology. It's not easy to backup or shuffle around terabytes of personal video, audio and pictures. Hard drives aren't exactly the right media for safe deposit boxes. In the 90's I had an Iomega Ditto 250MB drive that held 12…
Why are tape drives fragile? I use them for my long term backups of personal files I thought they were robust ?
After the tape drive becomes unusable, you may no longer be able to buy another compatible tape drive, because they might be discontinued.
For example I am using LTO-7 tapes. For the moment, I do not have to worry, because the current LTO-8 tape drives are able to read my LTO-7 tapes and the same should be true for the future LTO-9 tape drives.
However, when LTO-9 tape drives will be the norm, I will have to buy a LTO-9 tape drive and many LTO-9 tapes and copy all my archives, because if I would delay this I would risk to no longer find even LTO-9 tape drives. In that case my tape collection will become unreadable, even if the tapes themselves are guaranteed for at least 30 years.
I have already lost many years ago some archives that I had on QIC tape cartridges, because after my tape drive broke I was not able to find any other compatible tape drive.
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Temperature? I've yet to experience rot on decades old discs at home. Most sit in a basement that doesn't exceed 68*F
It's a well known problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot
> DVDs are more resistant to rot > DVDs and CDs use aluminum layers for the reflective 'data encoded' layer > Discs using a gold layer are extremely resistant to corrosion and thus disc rot > Blu-ray discs use a silver-alloy for their reflective layer.
Though not linked, or stated, it is quite likely that the BR discs are significantly less likely to be damaged due to disc rot for similar reasons as gold-layered discs are, though not necessarily as resistant as gold.
Disc rot though appears to stem due to the damage of the lacquer or plastic layer on discs, which if the disc then remains undamaged, it should not be as susceptible to rot.
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Nooooooooooo, you're supposed to back it up to the cloud and pay some startup jerk $XX/mo for the privilege! [/s]
Says whom? Most cloud storage have huge free tiers. I have unlimited storage on telegram.
Doesn't matter how high your connection speed is, it is capped from telegram's end.
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#79> 500 TB of data on a small disc
So, it would take 70 years to fill it. By the time you can fill it we will have RAM with higher density :)
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Can you name something that is not "unlimited"? I don't have a limit, I never hit the cap. By that logic nothing is unlimited (texts, calls, data, etc), but realistically it doesn't matter because I don't use it much. I don't care to test it, I use it sparingly and never had a issue with limits.
I assume that my S3 bucket is as close to unlimited as it gets.