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Just a note to say that the term for a mortgage in the USA is really up to the borrower. This is because you are permitted to pay back more than the specified loan repayment, any time you like. So you can make a 30-year loan into a 20 year loan if you want, or any term shorter than 30 years. The main benefit to a 15-year loan is that it (usually) has a lower interest rate than the equivalent 30-year loan.
There is often a penalty for balloon payments. Please do check that out.
Zillow seeks to sell 7k homes for $2.8B after flipping halt
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No ban, just huge property taxes for non-primary residences.
Since institutional owners like this make up a tiny percentage of ownership, your solution would have a huge impact on small landlords, which would be passed along to the tenants. Basically you're asking renters to pay for this behavior...
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Housing is an investment in the sense that you need a certain amount of capital to create one, and in that sense you want to allocate it the best way possible: the best value at the best prices. There's no better way to do that than with markets. Housing will always be expensive in one way or the other, but you can make it cheaper and more plentiful. And that should be the goal.
> Housing will always be expensive in one way or the other, but you can make it cheaper and more plentiful. And that should be the goal. When housing becomes an investment, the goal is to get that sweet ROI which generally means working to restrict the supply of housing to make prices rise. Lobbying is a high-ROI activity. And housing doesn’t need to be expensive. Japan is a good example. It’s only expensive because…
There are many ways to lobby that increase both the value of real estate and make the system better. For example, you could lobby for a visa for immigrant construction workers, which will reduce the cost to build.
> And housing doesn’t need to be expensive.
Definitions matter, but that's my original point. Construction companies in JApan also have a sweet ROI or they wouldn't build at all, you can achieve multiple goals. The current market structure is in good part a result of regulatory capture, but housing will remain profitable in multiple other structures. If it stopped being profitable, it would be impossible to build, and you wouldnt be able to improve or create new supply which is definitely the worst result long term.
> dystopian outcomes (see also healthcare
Healthcare is the **show it is precisely because it is NOT a free market by any practical or theoretical definition.
I want to mention one more thing about the narrative that Nimbyism is an investment topic. It really isn't: it is in the landlords interest to get more construction going, because more people increase the value of land, it doesn't decrease it. That is why land in a city is worth more than in a rural town. A SFH owner turned into the low owner of an 8 appt complex is way richer, as in 10X. At the tokyo example, it is close to 10k per square meter of land! https://www.statista.com/statistics/875736/japan-average-lan...
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Buyers frequently waive the inspection contingency in hot markets with limited supply. Sellers are more likely to accept offers with fewer contingencies.
You're not wrong. However, even if you make an all-cash offer and remove every single contingency, you're still looking at roughly 2 weeks minimum to close. You're making the assumption that title companies are competent (they are not) and move quickly (they do not). Wire transfer takes a few days, need to find a notary to sign all of the closing docs, and title companies are slammed with all of the other home purcha…
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> The price for housing has gone up substantially in the last 20 years This is the result of supply and demand. How does demand for housing increase? Falling mortgage, downpayment assistance programs, government guaranteed loans. That increases demand. And housing is also larger than 20 years ago. > We wouldn't tolerate the price of food going up by the same percentage. This is just silly. It is not something you "to…
How does demand for housing increase? Falling mortgage, downpayment assistance programs, government guaranteed loans. Also growing population and people moving to areas where the jobs are. Most recently: pandemic refugees from NYC and California settling in adjacent areas. When demand changes for a good with inelastic supply you see large excursions in price. And housing is also larger than 20 years ago. That's a pro…
Right, when there is a disruption. Say there is an increase in jobs in city A and wages rise by 10%. Say there is a decrease in jobs in city B and wages decrease by 10%.
Now what must happen is some kind of population transfer from B to A. We also know that rents will rise in A and fall in B.
But how does this happen? Via evictions in B as people can no longer afford the existing rents and move out. That adds to the rental supply in B as landlords struggle to find tenants, which causes rents to fall. Similarly in A, there is a bidding war for apartments and rents rise. This is how the market adjusts to the new reality of jobs and wages in both cities.
Now covid had lots of these disruptions. Entire job markets were shutdown, others thrived.
So what happens when the government puts a freeze on evictions in both A and B. Then everything is frozen except for the handful of new construction in A and B, so you get massive price spikes and rent too high in city A as well as rents being too high by not adjusting downward in city B.
The effect of this is that prices are always much higher than the market clearing price, which is what this paper demonstrates.
This is also what happens when you try to make economic interventions based on sentimental intuition -- "it's not fair that you should be evicted if you are laid off" -- often the exact opposite of what you want ends up happening, as housing becomes too expensive for everyone. What has to happen is that people must live in the housing they can afford. Attempting to live in housing that they can't afford always causes excessively high prices for the majority.
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Thats not how you look at this. If this were a strong market signal they would be selling to Blackrock at a profit and not a loss. The exchange value is down not up. There were equal buyers matched to sellers in 2008 as well when the market was cratering (not that we are in 2008).
When an institutional investor like Blackstone or Blackrock or Colony Capital calls your phone to express interest in an asset you own, I can all but guarantee you that you are in a distressed position and looking to sell. They have enough experience, data, and skill to time the market cycle. Companies like Zillow do not.
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> The Fed has essentially trapped us in a system where the likes of blackrock get access to essentially free Fed printing press money right of the rollers that they then use to buy up real assets at inflated prices, which only drives up the inflation that thereby also drives up the value of previous purchases at near zero rate interest. It's a trendy thing to say, especially in certain political circles, but could yo…
"Inflation" isn't the right technical term, and I'm skeptical of the more conspiratorial implications, but the Federal Reserve is pretty open about the fact that it buys a lot of mortgage debt and mortgage rates are low because of it. See for example https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2021/0826 .
Re: Zillow seeks to sell 7k homes for $2.8B after flipping halt
#568Former real estate finance professional, here. If you were hoping this was a sign of the real estate market falling and perhaps its your chance to get a bargain, think again. > The company is seeking roughly $2.8 billion for the houses, which are being pitched to institutional investors, according to people familiar with the matter. Institutional investors (Blackstone, Blackrock, Colony, et al) will be being in bulk,…
I'll be the YIMBY broken record here. These institutional investors are suddenly interested in housing because decades of artificial constraints on new construction have created a situation where prices are rising quickly as demand outpaces supply. Don't believe me? Here's the SEC filing from one such investor: > We have selected locations with strong demand drivers, high barriers to entry and high rent-growth potent…
Are you sure you aren't just thinking within the box of the United States?
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> could you substantiate it with something from a serious, non-partisan economist? The fact that printed money is fueling the housing market does not require an economist to see; it is obvious from comparing two simple observations: (1) Americans expect to be able to get 30 year mortgages at rates around 3%. (2) Americans expect to be able to invest their retirement savings in stocks and bonds with a long term rate o…
#1 is less risky, since mortgages have to be collateralized. #1 is also less volatile
Less risky, yes. Less risky to the tune of 5 or more percentage points? Not so sure.
> #1 is also less volatile
That depends on the housing market, which can be subject to large fluctuations that have nothing to do with the underlying value of the assets and everything to do with the availability of newly printed money for mortgage loans. The years leading up to and including the 2008 crash showed how volatile a manipulated housing market can be.
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What would you ban?
No ban, just huge property taxes for non-primary residences.