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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by nuerow »

Sebb767 wrote: post #430
nuerow wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tolerance, right up to the limit where it actually starts hurting, is the best strategy for a peaceful and prosperous society. It really is not. Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > If they want to license their software however then good luck to them, but nonetheless…

> Unbounded tolerance is how free and open societies commit suicide and succumb to authoritarian regimes where intolerance is the norm. And to allow discriminating against "wrong" opinions is how intolerance becomes the norm.

> And to allow discriminating against "wrong" opinions is how intolerance becomes the norm.

Do you feel that plotting to overthrow a democracy to install a totalitarian despot while discussing political assassinations is a grey area that's up for debate whether it's "wrong" or indeed undoubtedly wrong?

I mean, considering how this very same political group killed police officers during their coup attempt, where do you personally draw the line on murder?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

quotemstr wrote: post #478
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So who decides what is "disingeniously manipulating public opinion"? I think for many people that statement is too vague and hence the risk of using that software is too high.

> disingeniously manipulating public opinion This is code for promoting viewpoints that the creators dislike.

I think so, too. Or what if you just publish a web site that also displays ads?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by rbanffy »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #375
rbanffy wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the closed beta was meant for a select few, but was found by someone else The license makes no such distinction. The website had no warning that it was a private test, was hosted on the presumed official domain and looked like it went live. I never received an explicit authorisation by YC to use Hacker News and here I am. I wouldn’t call my access unauthorised even though it was never authorised.

> The license makes no such distinction. The website had no warning that it was a private test, was hosted on the presumed official domain and looked like it went live. That is true. I mention that in my last paragraph: > The fact that it’s a public web server (with no access controls) does throw a wrench into things, but it’s not as simple as many here make it seem. However, simply being accessible is not akin to au…

> However, simply being accessible is not akin to authorization.

That’s a hard argument to push unless the judge is unbelievably biased. If the website is up and running on the expected domain, functions correctly and has no indication it’s a private beta, it’s hard to assume bad faith from the unintended users.

IIRC, the idea was tested in the early days of dial up systems and a system that was setup to not require authentication that had a “Welcome to this computer” banner was considered open enough the intruders were not considered intruders.

If you have a building and charge for entry, but there is no access control at the door, no ticket sales and no indication you need to pay to enter, can you complain someone wandered into the building without paying?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by rp1 »

hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #161
rp1 wrote: post #33

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That sounds like a personal feeling.

I think this is a tu quoque fallacy. In my view, it is OK to invoke personal feelings about whether personal feelings should be invoked in relation to the enforcement of a software license.

This isn’t a fallacy because I’m not making an argument or asserting the parent commenter is wrong. I’m suggesting to the parent commenter that they follow their own advice and keep their personal beliefs personal.

For instance, if someone who eats steak tells me that studies show eating red meat causes heart disease, it’s not a fallacy to suggest that they should stop eating red meat.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by gargron »

jrootabega wrote: post #30

> As far as personal feelings are concerned, of course we would prefer if people so antithetical to our values did not use and benefit from our labour And sensible people would prefer that license violations would be published and pursued fairly, and personal feelings kept personal, rather than creating a soft list of people and perspectives whose online/computing freedom is less important than others.

Would you care to finish reading the sentence you're quoting the first part of?

> As far as personal feelings are concerned, of course we would prefer if people so antithetical to our values did not use and benefit from our labour, *but the reality of working on free software is that you give up the possibility of choosing who can and cannot use it from the get-go*, so in a practical sense *the only issue we can take with something like Truth Social is if they don’t even comply with the free software license* we release our work under.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by knowfilter »

pibechorro wrote: post #16
rogual wrote: post #10

Do we really have to give this guy the #1 Hacker News story? He was fading into the background so nicely.

You mean the person who was the sitting president of the united states, who got deplatformed in unison by big tech social media, and is now fighting against censorship by using tech? Yeah, that is not relevant at all to hackernews /s

> users cannot "disparage, tarnish, or otherwise harm, in our opinion, us and/or the Site."

Sorry how does that count as "fighting against censorship?" Sounds like they can censor any user that disparages their platform (the way that Trump regularly disparaged Twitter, on Twitter.)

https://truthsocial.com/terms-of-service/

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by knowfilter »

fdschoeneman wrote: post #485
shp0ngle wrote: post #2

Is this actually true? The network was available just for a short time and now is not anymore.

Yeah I thought the same thing. Someone pointed out that even creating test accounts probably qualifies as "over the networks." But it seems silly. And unless mastodon is enforcing this clause against every other instance operator, I'm guessing this is just posturing. Having said that, I'd like them to continue posturing and getting their concept of federated social media more traction.

Good point, because similar cases have been brought against Vizio and Tesla, among other, this clearly isn't just posturing.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by jrootabega »

rp1 wrote: post #494
hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a tu quoque fallacy. In my view, it is OK to invoke personal feelings about whether personal feelings should be invoked in relation to the enforcement of a software license.

This isn’t a fallacy because I’m not making an argument or asserting the parent commenter is wrong. I’m suggesting to the parent commenter that they follow their own advice and keep their personal beliefs personal. For instance, if someone who eats steak tells me that studies show eating red meat causes heart disease, it’s not a fallacy to suggest that they should stop eating red meat.

> I’m suggesting to the parent commenter that they follow their own advice and keep their personal beliefs personal.

Why would you suggest that, rp1? This is a place to discuss things. Our beliefs about appropriate ways to publicize license disputes are part of that.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by martimarkov »

_-david-_ wrote: post #455
martimarkov wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is correct. I would love for all violations to be policed like this. I didn’t take time away from my family and life for someone else to profit. I did it ONLY because I’d knew what GPL would enforce. The business opening or not does not matter here. GPL is enforced on the moment you publish underneath that license.

It may not actually be correct if nobody who has access to the beta website has actually requested the code.

They had the mastodon logo shown at some point appear in one of the pages.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by smaryjerry »

papito wrote: post #397
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #359

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So weird that everything started collapsing exactly on January 20th, 2017. The people who have been in power for 40 years are definitely NOT the problem. It was just that last guy.

If both-side-ism makes you feel better than everyone else. It didn't start collapsing in 2017. This has been brewing for a long time, one could argue since the 90s, when political discourse and bipartisanship started degrading. Donald Trump was just the catalyst needed to accelerate the final collapse. And by collapse I mean "collapse". American democracy is not surviving the next 20 years. As an aside, it it really…

Every generation thinks their problems are the worst. It’s just more of the same political fighting where one side demonizes the other to try to get people on their side. The world moves on until the next time they need to demonize someone and nothing of importance really happened. There is no collapse, just on to the next candidate.
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