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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by ElijahLynn »

AGPLv3 for the F _ _ _ _ _ G WIN!!!! Nice job Mastodon!

> Notably, neither the terms nor any other part of the website contained any references to Mastodon, nor any links to the source code, which are present in Mastodon’s user interface by default. Mastodon is free software published under the AGPLv3 license, which requires any over-the-network service using it to make its source code and any modifications to it publicly accessible.

> On Oct 26, we sent a formal letter to Truth Social’s chief legal officer, requesting the source code to be made publicly available in compliance with the license. According to AGPLv3, after being notified by the copyright holder, Truth Social has 30 days to comply or the license may be permanently revoked.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by dragonwriter »

s7r wrote: post #121

In terms of "antithetical values", the machine learning project ml5js.org actually did something about this. They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of peopl…

> They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of people, and (4) building tools that control weapons, including tools that automate the deployment, operation, and targeting of weapons.

That’s just not a free or open source license, period. Which is fine, as long as they don't pretend that it is either of those things, but it sounds like they do.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by blitzar »

jrootabega wrote: post #30

> As far as personal feelings are concerned, of course we would prefer if people so antithetical to our values did not use and benefit from our labour And sensible people would prefer that license violations would be published and pursued fairly, and personal feelings kept personal, rather than creating a soft list of people and perspectives whose online/computing freedom is less important than others.

> if people so antithetical to our values

Values such as forking a public project, removing the logo, then claiming that the new project is proprietary private work that they did themselves.

People with values like that can fuck right off, but if they comply with the licence, they can use it.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by tialaramex »

ncallaway wrote: post #184
tialaramex wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That trademark stuff is an excuse for wealthy litigious companies, it isn't actually how the law works and we should stop giving them a pass. Disney, Nintendo and similar outfits can afford to go after people who weren't causing them any harm and so they do.

> it isn't actually how the law works and we should stop giving them a pass. That’s not accurate. Trademark law does require active policing and enforcement, and failure to enforce a trademark can be grounds for losing it. Yes, big corps probably are more aggressive than the law requires, but it’s a pretty fuzzy, not super well defined, line.

> That’s not accurate. Trademark law does require active policing and enforcement, and failure to enforce a trademark can be grounds for losing it.

Do you have some actual examples of this? Trademarks which were cancelled not for lack of use (a real reason) but for lack of enforcement ? I don't think that's a thing, which is why I'm asking.

It's true that genericisation is at least a potential threat, although I think many businesses would say that's a great problem to have (your mark can't become generic if people aren't familiar with it, and if they're familiar with it that means you sure have sold a whole lot of product, the real examples of genericisation are famous successful companies such as Xerox or Hoover, hardly stories of failure).

But also this isn't about genericisation anyway. Mere mentions aren't actionable. That's what is insidious about it, you can sue people who are no threat to your mark at all, and the likes of Disney do that all the time. But you can't (successfully) sue people who mention your mark in a way that just contributes to eventual genericisation.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by HideousKojima »

themaninthedark wrote: post #442
cabalamat wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese are the majority of the world population. No, they are roughly 1/5th of it.

True they are not majority by being over 1/2 population but they are majority in the sense of greater quantity or share. Population by Country China 18.47% India 17.70% USA 4.25% I could take your argument and use it to say that Christians are not the majority even though they are 31.11% if looking at the religious population size. By mostly my point was to highlight that you can spin and manipulate the CoC however y…

The word you want is "plurality" not "majority"

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by mijoharas »

refurb wrote: post #96
gameswithgo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I remember all those lectures about over reaction and we ended up with an insurrection and an entire half of our country convinced an election was stolen.

[snark]Almost lost the Republic on Jan 6th to a whole lot of shoving.[/snark] But more seriously it looks like the government is having a hell of a time convicting anyone there of more than mischief and trespassing.

Five people died.

I'm gonna go ahead and put that "shoving" into the not-cool category.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by keneda7 »

lghh wrote: post #248
JohnWhigham wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon violating open source agreements to host their own version of the product and squeeze the life out of the original company? Not a peep. People whose political opinions differ from my own use the software? This must be stopped at once .

I think calling open fascism something as simple as a "differing political opinion" a bit reductive. Additionally, a former president (and future presidential hopeful) taking advantage of someone in this manor is more newsworthy than a multinational corporation. Though, I agree with what I assume is also your opinion that that Amazon situation matters more.

Could you list some of the things that make the right fascist? Its a pretty blanket statement to call everyone that has a different political opinion of you fascist. Here is the definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Last administration had several people of color in it. It also had an openly gay member. I did not see them banning anyone off social media or suppressing the opposition. They removed far more regulations than they created which reduced their administrations power. As far as I know they never ignored a supreme court ruling.

Sure the last administration had major problems, but to try and compare say it is fascism is absurd imo. The fact the we have a new administration is all the proof you really need.

Fascist actions to me are things like admitting the government regularly bans people they don't like from social media. Ignoring supreme court rulings. Trying to shutdown opposition news organizations. Spying on opposition news organizations. Spying on political opponents. Demanding access to see every citizens bank transactions. Demanding the federal government have full control of all elections. All these actions lead towards a one party system in which the federal government has completely control over every aspect of its citizens life and forcefully suppresses the opposition.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by zaphar »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #406

Getting into any form of discussion regarding T is unwise. Yet I wanted to point out something Mastodon mission has always been to provide users freedom from and alternatives to the giant faceless autocratic exploitative social media. Or at least that is what I gleam from a search of Mastodon prior to when T ran for president. To now state for the record that T is not supposed to use the software seems like a politic…

To be clear Mastodon is not claiming that T can't use their software. They very clearly state that he can absolutely use their Software so long as he abides by the license and provides attribution as well as any modifications to the source publicly so this is not in the category of a politically biased flip. It's common place license enforcement that just happens to be politically significant because the target is T.
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