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Re: Firefox 94

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Post by earthscienceman »

dncornholio wrote: post #73
gpm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sympathetic to this, and usually find these sorts of things annoying, but in this case I'm not so sure. If there is any application I want to autoupdate, it's my web-browser. It's a giant bundle of security vulnerabilities whose main purpose in life is to hit untrusted servers that might be sending me malware, and when an update is available to me, the list of security fixes is also available to attackers.

It's only a vulnerability when you have the browser open though.

If that were the case, then people would complain about how stupid it was that the browser updated and needed to be restarted every time you opened it.

Re: Firefox 94

#102

Post by nightpool »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #78
gpm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sympathetic to this, and usually find these sorts of things annoying, but in this case I'm not so sure. If there is any application I want to autoupdate, it's my web-browser. It's a giant bundle of security vulnerabilities whose main purpose in life is to hit untrusted servers that might be sending me malware, and when an update is available to me, the list of security fixes is also available to attackers.

If you already read HN, why would you need an update reminder? Using HN I was able to find out about a new Firefox release sometimes even before "Check updates" feature was able to find one ;)

Not every patch-level security update makes it to the front page of HN, for one thing

Re: Firefox 94

#103

Post by cute_boi »

swiley wrote: post #44
globular-toast wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because "restore tabs on startup" is also the default now. So you won't lose your tabs and this will generally do the right thing.

There really needs to be an alternative "close all tabs now " command to replace this.

There is close all tab (under multiple tabs) if you right click on any tab. I don't know if there are any shortcuts.

Re: Firefox 94

#104

Post by 542458 »

m_eiman wrote: post #13
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #7

> On Windows, there will now be fewer interruptions because Firefox won’t prompt you for updates. Instead, a background agent will download and install updates even if Firefox is closed. I rather they didn't. EDIT: Ah good, they have an option in the General Settings to disable the background updater.

Why hasn't Microsoft created a system service for this? It's just inefficient to have each and every installed app run a service… I suppose they take care of it for Windows Store apps, but I don't see why they couldn't make a service for other apps too. Same on the Mac, of course.

Both vendors want you to use their preferred “store” system instead, unfortunately.

Re: Firefox 94

#105

Post by sirodoht »

gnomewascool wrote: post #24
SwiftyBug wrote: post #17

> Firefox no longer warns you by default when you exit the browser or close a window using a menu, button, or three-key command. Why would anyone want this? On macOS it is infuriantingly easy to press CMD + Q by accident. Why would you not want to confirm that you actually want to close ALL your tabs?

CMD + Q is a two-key command, so presumably the warning will still be present.

I frequently press cmd+W to close the current tab. Unfortunately pressing one key to the left by mistake has happened too many times.

Re: Firefox 94

#106

Post by bogwog »

zkldi wrote: post #97
gameswithgo wrote: post #31

It has made me really sad that I have had to quite using Firefox, as I've enjoyed the technical improvements they have been making, but the new ads in the address bar thing is just non negotiable, I will not be a part of that.

There are ads in the address bar?

I think he's referring to the "Firefox Suggest" ads: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715179/firefox-suggest-...

Re: Firefox 94

#107

Post by [deleted] »

killertcell wrote: post #75
marcodiego wrote: post #14

Firefox: the last remaining mostly independent, maintained and reasonably popular browser. Even if it were inferior in any aspect to other options, I'd still use it for the above mentioned reasons.

As luck would have it: it's inferior in most aspects. Security, Usability (UI, responsiveness), Performance, Defaults (Privacy)...

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Re: Firefox 94

#108

Post by BitwiseFool »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #86
BitwiseFool wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a risk, but one I have chosen to take in the short-term. I really dislike the direction Mozilla is going and I will probably have to switch browsers in 2022.

Which browser vendor goes to a direction you'd like? I'm just curious because as much as I disagree with many of Mozilla decisions, I still can't honestly compare it to other browser vendors like Google, Apple, and Microsoft.

Truthfully, I'm starting to feel browser-homeless, for lack of a better term. I'm using FF because I don't want to be on Chrome. I don't have a problem with Chromium based browsers, though, so I gave Edge a try. Turns out, Edge really really REALLY wants me to be logged into my Microsoft account and I am weary of just how tightly Microsoft's products are integrated to the browsing experience. So that's a no-go. Safari's UI is just not for me and it has atrocious plugin/extension support.

I'll probably just find some fork of Firefox or a Chromium based browser and just make-do.

Re: Firefox 94

#109

Post by Taywee »

killertcell wrote: post #75
marcodiego wrote: post #14

Firefox: the last remaining mostly independent, maintained and reasonably popular browser. Even if it were inferior in any aspect to other options, I'd still use it for the above mentioned reasons.

As luck would have it: it's inferior in most aspects. Security, Usability (UI, responsiveness), Performance, Defaults (Privacy)...

I really would like you to explain all of those, especially the first and the last. In what way is it less secure or private than the alternatives?

Re: Firefox 94

#110

Post by huhtenberg »

hilbert42 wrote: post #83
nikbackm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've had the MozillaMaintenance service for several years on Windows already, what has changed now?

I don't know about this version but at least one could uninstall the maintenance service. It was the first thing I'd nuke before allowing my PC to reconnect to the internet, the second was to nuke every talk-home-Mozilla link that about:config would allow to either be changed or deleted. This worked, as updates wouldn't even work when clicking 'updates' in the menu. Mozilla has a damned hide to automate updates, not…

> People who've used Firefox in the past have done so because they want an alterative - not more of the same.

Exactly!

Despite of all the telemetry Mozilla still has absolutely zero clue who their core audience actually is, because they sure as hell are set on decimating what's left of it.

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