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Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by istorical »

peterashwell wrote: post #97

FB execs aren't stupid. This is not about the metaverse, it is about deflecting from bad press and ill will into mockery about this aloof nonsense. A few weeks or months ago you probably noticed your sentiment towards facebook turn pretty negative. Just thinking about the company as dorky instead helps their bottom line. We all know this project isn't going anywhere, including maybe everyone but zuck. The more noise…

Do you realize that Facebook Connect is a yearly event that was scheduled long before any of the latest FB outrage news stories?

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by paulcole »

lm28469 wrote: post #91
paulcole wrote: post #83

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Yeah and I have Type 1 diabetes and inject myself with insulin. I’m kinda glad that we bent the world to my will there.

As if insulin had the same impact as the millions of ac units used to live in the middle of deserts

I think they use air conditioning to keep my insulin from going bad while it’s in transit to me.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by peterashwell »

istorical wrote: post #121
peterashwell wrote: post #97

FB execs aren't stupid. This is not about the metaverse, it is about deflecting from bad press and ill will into mockery about this aloof nonsense. A few weeks or months ago you probably noticed your sentiment towards facebook turn pretty negative. Just thinking about the company as dorky instead helps their bottom line. We all know this project isn't going anywhere, including maybe everyone but zuck. The more noise…

Do you realize that Facebook Connect is a yearly event that was scheduled long before any of the latest FB outrage news stories?

Negative sentiment has been accumulating against the company for a long while, rebrand is a good strategy

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by TheColorYellow »

hooby wrote: post #102
TheColorYellow wrote: post #64

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Let's just call it the digital ecosystem and leave it at that.

Well, in that case all the current debate is meaningless. Facebook already is a digital ecosystem company - they aren't changing anything at all.

In so many ways...isn't that exactly the truth?

Today Facebook steals your time by locking your attention to their web page or mobile app. Tomorrow they do it by locking your attention to their VR headset or AR glasses.

And each time, the whole Facebook ecosystem comes with you.

This is exactly what they do and Meta is a natural extension that is betting in a cultural change as much as it is a continuation of everything Facebook is.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by SyzygistSix »

tim333 wrote: post #113
ricardonunez wrote: post #53

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We commented the same thing at the same time lol No wonder Buffett was doing new deals all the time, probably his way of coping with it.

One smart thing with Buffett is he likes the day job and doesn't need to go off and build rockets or similar. """ I can do anything in the world I want to do but what I want to do is run Berkshire Hathaway. Now why do I want to run it that way? There's a couple of things: A) I get to paint my own painting. I go down there every day and I feel like Michelangelo working on the Sistine Chapel or something. [...] And the…

Buying up mobile home lots in order to double the rent is hardly art.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by carapace »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #9

All we really need to collectively build up a metaverse is the HTML of VR, where experiences can be linked together. Web browsers can already launch 3D experiences in VR its just clunky and I switch it off because ads on some sites start VR for some reason. We already have quite a few 2D into VR desktops too and they work. Seamless transition and placement appears to be a bit lacking but it doesn't feel all that far…

Like VRML?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrml

> VRML (Virtual Reality Modeling Language, pronounced vermal or by its initials, originally—before 1995—known as the Virtual Reality Markup Language) is a standard file format for representing 3-dimensional (3D) interactive vector graphics, designed particularly with the World Wide Web in mind. It has been superseded by X3D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X3D

X3D is a royalty-free ISO/IEC standard for declaratively representing 3D computer graphics. File format support includes XML, ClassicVRML, Compressed Binary Encoding (CBE) and a draft JSON encoding. X3D became the successor to the Virtual Reality Modeling Language (VRML) in 2001.[1] X3D features extensions to VRML (e.g. CAD, geospatial, humanoid animation, NURBS, etc.), the ability to encode the scene using an XML syntax as well as the Open Inventor-like syntax of VRML97, or binary formatting, and enhanced APIs.

There's also OpenXR: https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenXR/specs/1.0/html/xrspe...

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by marcodave »

tim333 wrote: post #109
philjohn wrote: post #89

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Much like Microsoft's misstep in not taking the internet seriously in the 90's, and not taking smartphones seriously in the 2000's.

I think Microsoft did take them seriously. They just screwed up the execution. Like here's a "Microsoft’s Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC Phone Edition" phone out a couple of years before the iPhone https://www.zdnet.com/product/anextek-sp230/

As I recall, the iPhone originally had little to none integration with enterprise infrastructure, as Blackberry and Windows Phone had . In my view, The iphone was just too cool not to be in the hands of CEOs and CTOs , which most likely managed to bend companies rules to start allowing usage of iphones and basically making blackberry superfluous

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by xwdv »

8eye wrote: post #42
xwdv wrote: post #11

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There are worse things incredibly rich people could do to have fun. Why not just build a metaverse?

right? or why can’t he just build some space stuff like the rest of the billionaires lol

Personally I’m wondering why a billionaire hasn’t undertaken projects to explore the deepest depths of the oceans, and perhaps start ambitious projects like underwater habitats for small communities.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by TheColorYellow »

meheleventyone wrote: post #84
TheColorYellow wrote: post #66

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Interesting question, but doesn't a "metaverse" require interoperable applications to some extent? I think the Zuck use case was buying a t-shirt for a virtual avatar and I want to use that t-shirt in other applications. There is a matter of interoperability required at the level of the data that sits behind both applications as it pertains to the user that sits on the other side of those applications. (meaning just…

I don’t think it’s axiomatic that the metaverse needs interoperability of t-shirts. What I’m asking for is arguments for why that is the case and given that the current Internet is basically a metaverse sans interoperability why we haven’t seen it done yet. It’s not really a technical hurdle IMO.

It's not an entirely technical hurdle, but eventually you run into repeated issues when trying to recreate application context across different applications. That means to do so at scale can be solved by a technology solution.

To me the issues that require addressing are things like standardization, general uniqueness proofs, Cross-app total order broadcast, identity and service discovery, to just name a few.

My feeling is that the internet does not solve these problems, especially at the application layer, and therefore interoperability is a technical solution that is required for a metaverse like vision.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by TheColorYellow »

wnkrshm wrote: post #105
TheColorYellow wrote: post #66

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Interesting question, but doesn't a "metaverse" require interoperable applications to some extent? I think the Zuck use case was buying a t-shirt for a virtual avatar and I want to use that t-shirt in other applications. There is a matter of interoperability required at the level of the data that sits behind both applications as it pertains to the user that sits on the other side of those applications. (meaning just…

If that t-shirt isn't created procedurally, then any interoperability between differently themed worlds will just make everything look like 2nd Life, since an artist would have to create another, similar shirt in a style that fits.

Agreed that the procedural complication is not resolved. Soltuons that do make this problem go away is the next frontier in this conversation.

I believe the path to those soltuons does lie on the road of ubiquitous and dynamic technical interoperabity for web applications.

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