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Post by tailspin2019 »

pessimizer wrote: post #175
mrkramer wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR is the next PC. "VR headset in every home" could be the next Microsoft like company mission and vision. I think for instance VR will have big impact in medicine and education but like I said it is decades away something like PC industry in 1970s.

VR is the next 3D TV. A cumbersome, marginal improvement on something that already works fine. Even for industrial use, its only cases I've heard about have been to transmit manual labor over a network. There are very limited cases where we need to do that, although I have no doubt that VR will be useful for undersea or outer space welding, or something, with a very skilled operator. Otherwise, the accuracy necessary…

> VR is the next 3D TV. A cumbersome, marginal improvement on something that already works fine.

I think it's always worth considering the timeframe with these sorts of things.

Right now, yes, you're probably right.

But in 5, 10, 20, 50 years?

I see widespread VR/AR (especially AR) as being inevitable at some point in the future. But we still have a long way to go. It could still tangibly be decades away before the technology evolves into the right "shape".

Even with the current generation of VR hardware we're still looking at the equivalent of Charles Babbage's difference engine and trying to predict the iPhone from it.

Re: Meta

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Post by dresdenfire »

Steltek wrote: post #35

Has a huge company ever rebranded themselves like this to a dream that they're so far away from delivering on? The Metaverse isn't an unfamiliar or abstract thing, it's well represented in movies and TV, and it's a pretty dramatic territory to claim: full sensory immersion in an infinite, interactive world. No one has gotten even a fraction of those things "right" and a social media company is gonna bet the farm on i…

Apple with iPhones? Steve jobs made mobile apple first priority when he came back and started with ipod but ended up capturing the market.

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Post by gverrilla »

ryandrake wrote: post #112

As much as I am not a FB fan, I give Zucc credit for dedicating an entire keynote to his vision of the future. What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? Who knows! They never talk about the future. Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous on…

he's lying

Re: Meta

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Post by lostlogin »

snugghash wrote: post #198
lostlogin wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, moving too fast. “Judging by the number that have FB accounts, most?”

You do realize there's an edit button? It's next to the timestamp etc., the comment metadata

The edit button goes away after a while - if there is a way to edit after that has happened I’d happily use it.

Re: Meta

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Post by majewsky »

908B64B197 wrote: post #62
lsjvjn wrote: post #6

>The fact that Facebook is uniquely held responsible for the societal problems engendered by the Internet does, I suspect, stem from the fact that Zuckerberg is an obvious target. How many people concerned about anti-vax rhetoric, for example, can even name the person in charge of YouTube, a far more potent vector? This article makes a very cogent point: Zuckerberg has too much baggage with the general public and Met…

> The fact that Facebook is uniquely held responsible for the societal problems engendered by the Internet does, I suspect, stem from the fact that Zuckerberg is an obvious target Interestingly, the most vocal opponents of Facebook are... traditional medias. The same medias that are competing (and losing!) against Facebook for add revenue. Keep in mind that before Facebook, for a story to get any traction it had to b…

That's why it's important to have several TV stations and newspapers with different management in the same area. The actual enemy is corporate consolidation, both online and offline.

Re: Meta

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Post by majewsky »

che_shirecat wrote: post #186
fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #71

Honestly, I am dismayed by the negative reactions. Even if facebook fails at this, they will produce huge technical innovation. This is an expensive space, you need a big player willing to spend 10-20 billion on it. You need the technical resources and data. The end result will be a ton of open source and new know how in AR/VR. What a blessing!

There's always going to be a segment of people who are scared of strides towards the future. And for good reason, unknowns are scary for a reason.

There's a difference between not wanting to venture into the unknown at all, and not wanting to venture into the unknown led by a shady billionaire whose previous work involves rampant misinformation campaigns.

Re: Meta

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Post by rStar »

klelatti wrote: post #123
rStar wrote: post #31

it will be interesting to see what facebook turns into if/when they get a new ceo who is business success focused, like tim cook and satya nadella, who are just corporate mercenaries trying to run the most efficient business possible, which is not what the founders of those businesses did. then there’s the question of, will zuckerburg ever even get fb now meta to that point or will he insist on maintaining control an…

Aside from the personal things about Cook and Nadella you’re saying that you want a product guy / founder in charge. The thing is that Meta is a huge company with a massive impact and the man in charge is spending his time on his dream and not fixing issues that affect billions.

i was actually saying the opposite. somebody needs to know spreadsheets and not ego to run meta to the fullest.

Re: Meta

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Post by rStar »

pdpi wrote: post #49
rStar wrote: post #31

it will be interesting to see what facebook turns into if/when they get a new ceo who is business success focused, like tim cook and satya nadella, who are just corporate mercenaries trying to run the most efficient business possible, which is not what the founders of those businesses did. then there’s the question of, will zuckerburg ever even get fb now meta to that point or will he insist on maintaining control an…

Nadella joined Microsoft in '92. Cook joined Apple in '98. I'm not sure I'd describe either of them as "mercenary". Tim Cook told an investor to "get off the stock" over criticisms that investing in things that don't contribute to the bottom line (such as sustainability initiatives). "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don't consider the bloody ROI" is not something you expect a bean counte…

i would. it’s who they are as people, not which jobs they had when.

Re: Meta

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Post by rStar »

pdpi wrote: post #49
rStar wrote: post #31

it will be interesting to see what facebook turns into if/when they get a new ceo who is business success focused, like tim cook and satya nadella, who are just corporate mercenaries trying to run the most efficient business possible, which is not what the founders of those businesses did. then there’s the question of, will zuckerburg ever even get fb now meta to that point or will he insist on maintaining control an…

Nadella joined Microsoft in '92. Cook joined Apple in '98. I'm not sure I'd describe either of them as "mercenary". Tim Cook told an investor to "get off the stock" over criticisms that investing in things that don't contribute to the bottom line (such as sustainability initiatives). "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don't consider the bloody ROI" is not something you expect a bean counte…

tim cook was obviously lying in that instance, as is shown by the amount of heavy metals he personally has coaxed out of the ground in pursuit of plausible deniability, oh no i meant, planned obsolescence and the apple app store tax.
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