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Re: Meta

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Post by riantogo »

twright0 wrote: post #86
nemothekid wrote: post #28

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

> Then TikTok came along and it's kind of disproven that? ... none of the algorithmically generated content is as polarizing as what I would find on the other apps. I don't think this is fully accurate. The big differentiator for Tik Tok's algorithmic feed from FB's or Youtube's (in my mind) is not its accuracy or lack of polarization, it's actually that it draws much firmer and harder to cross lines between the part…

In my personal experience with tiktok it will pigeonhole you rapidly. But overall the platform is heavy on silly and fun content (not sure if it intentionally maintained like that by the owners). So before you know it you are pigeonholed into extremely fun stuff (compared to tediously polarizing content on other big apps).

Now over time it might devolve into bad content if there is no higher level moderation to keep it on lighter side of things. I would personally be okay with not all platforms being totally democratic.

Re: Meta

#162

Post by YarickR2 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #69
threeseed wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get far-right, anti-vaxxer, conspiracy, misinformation recommendations from Youtube at least a few times a week. And it's been like this for years despite me asking them not to show this type of content again. Anyone who thinks these issues are somehow unique or exclusive to Facebook is simply being dishonest. They are a byproduct of the anonymous, unfettered free speech we get from the internet not something intri…

We had free speech before social networks and this wasn’t an issue. The problem is when you encourage all the 5000 lunatics who think the earth is pizza-shaped to congregate and consume each other’s content.

Now content consumption is a crime. Next we're going to curate reading lists, right ?

Re: Meta

#163

Post by random314 »

threeseed wrote: post #58
gear54rus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple behaves ethically with those file scanners on your devices? Iphone parts that show errors when replaced with the same parts from another phone? Lobbying against the right to repair? Blocking access to 3rd party app stores? lol. It's just marketing, nothing more.

a) The CSAM scanning on your phone only happens if you specify that you want your photos to be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. And if doesn't happen client-side then it simply happens server-side with less privacy and security. b) iPhone parts showing errors issues was a bug that was already fixed and applied to TouchID security validation. If it's something new then it's almost guarenteed that this is a good thing…

I don't understand why nobody seems to care that apple shares imessages with CCP. Google and Facebook avoid that by not operating in China.

How can a company claim to be privacy friendly because it blocks ads while sharing private messages with a genocidal government?

Re: Meta

#164

Post by [deleted] »

jamesjyu wrote: post #137
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #90

This is an investor's view and the subtext seems to be "We're making a lot of money out of this, and I expect we'll make a lot more." The problem is that it's only an investor's view. It's quite dismissive of Facebook's very real political problems, and doesn't acknowledge that for many people - especially, but not exclusively younger users - Facebook is a terminal combination of boring, evil, and cringe. But more th…

The other subtext is that Zuck was always frustrated that he didn't have control of the underlying mobile platforms (ios/android) which strangled a bunch of FB's strategy for over a decade. He's not going to let that happen again.

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Re: Meta

#165

Post by saiya-jin »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #143
vineyardmike wrote: post #92

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1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone. 2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a…

>Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. It's not scanning on the client side, it's hashing. People on this site should really understand the difference. The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side. Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup, and they have to do something if they don't want the legal,…

Well that's a convenient set of arguments, lets politely agree to disagree.

Privacy is #1 selling point for Apple phones for geeks, it for sure ain't some mediocre hardware catching what chinese manufacturers released 1-2 generations before, nor sheepish bragging mentality that is so popular in poorer parts of the world.

They broke privacy. It ain't some super bendy term that you can argue about and twist to suit your current needs, in similar vein as ie truth. Lets break it down - private means mine and mine only, 0 other access, here, there, everywhere. Anything else is not private, whatever 'noble' cause you wrap it in that keeps shifting with time, location, political regime etc..

They claimed they had it. Many honestly believed them. They openly kicked it out and failed at it so badly they didn't even grok it could be an issue. Then whole clusterfuck happened as we all saw from first row.

Apple doesn't have privacy, period. It can claim to have some other features, and with some they are correct. And that's about it.

Re: Meta

#166

Post by jrockway »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #143
vineyardmike wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone. 2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a…

>Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. It's not scanning on the client side, it's hashing. People on this site should really understand the difference. The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side. Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup, and they have to do something if they don't want the legal,…

What is scanning if not reading every byte of your private images and using an algorithm to decide whether or not to call the cops on you? It's scanning.

Re: Meta

#167

Post by random314 »

jmknoll wrote: post #55
gear54rus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple behaves ethically with those file scanners on your devices? Iphone parts that show errors when replaced with the same parts from another phone? Lobbying against the right to repair? Blocking access to 3rd party app stores? lol. It's just marketing, nothing more.

Apple has certainly displayed some anti-consumer behavior. No one will argue with that. But not all sins are equal. Let's not say that blocking access to repair stores is the same thing as knowingly aiding and abetting genocide.

Sharing imessages with CCP that is ethnically cleansing uyghurs should certainly count as aiding and abetting genocide.

Re: Meta

#168

Post by slivanes »

soperj wrote: post #144
zamalek wrote: post #41

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> betting against a company with such a huge war chest is like trying to catch a falling knife. Indeed. My biggest fear is that succeed. I happen to prefer PCs (and there is no reason to argue for or against that). Apple has been incredibly successful at capturing market share and their devices are now mandatory at my new job. I might not like it, but it's not the end of the world: Apple behaves ethically. Now imagin…

>Apple behaves ethically There was that whole no poaching thing.

And:

caught attempting to be a book cartel

hostile to right to repair

browser render lockdown in iOS

slow moving PWA support in Safari

deliberate slowdown of older iPhones due to battery

Re: Meta

#169

Post by tempodox »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #156
sharkjacobs wrote: post #139

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> MANGA This was a funny bit when i saw it on twitter yesterday, but if we're actually going to update our top 5 tech companies acronym let's do it comprehensively. Google has been Alphabet for a while, so MANGA should be MANAA. And I haven't understood why Netflix is in there for a while now, I think we should swap it for Microsoft. What do we think about MAMAA?

Alphabet's stock ticker is GOOG so I think 'G' still works.

So, MAGMA?

Re: Meta

#170

Post by bink »

nemothekid wrote: post #28

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

> betting against a company with such a huge war chest is like trying to catch a falling knife.

Maybe. But if money could buy product adoption we'd all be using Microsoft phones right now.

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