The metaverse is bullshit • Hacker News Board

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by Valakas_ » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

dicknuckle wrote: post #528

Oddskar wrote: post #508

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I think there's an obvious answer to that question: don't focus so much on profit and ensure that the net benefit of your product for humanity is greater than it currently is.

Nah that's too obvious. MUST. MAKE. PROFIT. FOR. SHAREHOLDERS. The machine must march on and grow at all costs.

Unfortunately if we bring up 'ethics' we're the laughing stock of the room "aww he's so cute thinking about the good of humanity, what a nice guy. Anyway, as the adults were saying..."

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by tailspin2019 » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:19 PM UTC

Philadelphia wrote: post #560

2sk21 wrote: post #519

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I agree. Metaverse of 2021 reminds me so much of the "information superhighway" of the 1990s.

It reminds me of the Bubble Yum Gum VR exhibit that traveled across malls in the mid 90’s Edit: Found an article about it. Actually in 1993-4 https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1993-06-19-93061...

Speaking of bullshit, in the UK that link yields me this, sadly :-(

> Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in your country. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to your market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

Perhaps a less verbose and more honest version would be:

“Sorry. GDPR. So…. Nope.”

:)

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by Valakas_ » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:21 PM UTC

Oddskar wrote: post #341

wruza wrote: post #171

This thread feels like 1860's consilium on what future will look like 500 years later. The shape of the metaverse will be formed by a new generation, not by older guys (and not by fortnite addicts who play by the rules of the former) who know nothing better than drive a fancy “car” on the “road”, as if roads or a concept of physical movement or the euclidean rule would still be there for common use and not for museum…

I read this three times and I'm still not sure what your point is.

If you look at future predictions they almost always make the same mistake: they're based on the technology available at the time they were made.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by overkalix » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:21 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #518

JohnAaronNelson wrote: post #457

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That’s super weird. I’d look for a new job real quick if I was required to do stand up with be goggles in. WTF is wrong with people… Rapport is built through authenticity and vulnerability, not fucking avatars.

Neither authenticity nor vulnerability are all that important (or I'd argue, even welcome) in a business context.

"I'm not sure how to do this... could you please help me out?"

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by arturaz » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

greggh wrote: post #436

rklaehn wrote: post #35

I think people should not underestimate this. The presentation is cringeworthy, but VR is very attractive for teenagers and preteens. I know this from personal experience with my kids. Same with the concept of NFTs. Using real money to pay for an in game asset like a fortnite skin is completely natural to them.

I'm 45 and already spend more than half of my day in VR. My morning workout is done in VR, then I move on to guided meditation session, before finally starting work in Immersed.

What headset do you use so the text is not pixelated? What mind of work do you do?

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by deanCommie » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

emilsedgh wrote: post #305

Metaverse is not bullshit. It's a sign of desperation. Facebook has _nothing_ for the future. * Blue app is already on it's death bed. * Instagram is already seeing a massive decline in quality and engagement as its getting close to the end of its lifecycle. * They managed to survive Snapchat, but I think that made them think Instagram is too big to fail. Thus, they didn't go after TikTok. It was a mistake. * What's…

> Thus, they didn't go after TikTok. It was a mistake.

What are you talking about - they went after TikTok exactly the same way as they did after Snapchat: By cloning the feature and making it prominent in the app, then double-listing them in the main Big Blue App, too.

Instagram added Stories to copy Snapchat and they are still prominently at the top of the app.

Then they added Reels to copy Tik Tok and it's the primary central bottom button of the app, and also one of the first things you see in the Facebook app.

The hilarity though is that Tiktok watermarks exported videos. Vast majority of "Reels" on Instagram have Tik Tok watermarks.

They're failing to destroy Tik Tok the way they succeeded in destroying Snapchat (effectively) for a couple of reasons though:

1) Snapchat was primarily for person-to-person communication (their attempts at highlighting "creators" was always awkward. Instagram already had all the celebrities, and what grows success in "social networks" these days isn't the social graph between peers but parasocial graphs with big time creators

2) Snapchat was always technologically inferior. The quality of the photos and videos was awful. The AR filters were slow. Instagram offered higher quality and better performance. TikTok doesn't have that problem. It's blazing fast and for the kind of meme content it is best for, video quality isn't important.

3) TikTok's For You Page (FYP) recommendation algorithm is truly groundbreaking, and will be remembered in 10 years the way we remember panning around on Google Maps and not having the page reload. It is truly incredible how effectively it learns content you might be interested in after some engagement, and crafts an FYP that feels like it's speaking directly to your anxieties, sense of humor, neurosis, aspirations, goals, etc.

You can call it creepy and you can worry about how all this information about your personality is going to the Chinese government, but that's a separate issue...

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by mc32 » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:36 PM UTC

slightwinder wrote: post #569

dandotway wrote: post #71

Text is mightier than the Metaverse. Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. News and politics junkies prefer reading text tweets on Twitter to watching talking news anchors. Once upon a time Amazon was a company that only sold books. Dried ink on dead trees. And in the early internet age this book seller outperformed…

> Text is mightier than the Metaverse. "A Picture says more than a thousand words." > Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. Because text is asynchronous, and persistent. Text is a weak medium, but with specific strengths which can beat others in certain situation if they can played well. > We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. I guess you haven't discove…

One bit: “the book was better” crowd are a small vocal minority of the people who watch the book inspired movie. Most moviegoers will never have read the book.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by bsenftner » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

corin_ wrote: post #405

bsenftner wrote: post #347

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And people who own it say "yeah, it looks amazing! But it is the same fucking thing it was 20 years ago. But it looks amazing now."

Is that a criticism, or a reflection of the fact that 20 years ago it was already pretty much perfect except for graphics limitations of the tech of the time? (Genuine question as someone who tried it as a kid 20 years ago but doesn't remember much about it.)

It's a reflection that 20 years ago the simulation was truly only limited by the graphics and interface hardware.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by snovv_crash » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

meheleventyone wrote: post #390

dTal wrote: post #363

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You haven't addressed the point. Rolling moment is proportional to the distance of the center of gravity from the ground, in either direction . If the center of gravity is exactly at ground level, the car cannot be rolled. Moving it lower, into the ground, increases the rolling tendency again - in the "wrong" direction.

This is not correct because gravity only acts downwards. This means a lower center of gravity will always be more stabilizing for a vehicle the right way up. As the car rolls the center of gravity is pushed outward. When it’s too high it quickly passes over the pivot point of the wheels and the car will roll as gravity is applying additional moment about the wheel. When it’s lower than the pivot point which is not us…

In your video you show the force in red being applied somewhere up top. What is this force? What applies it?

Your force sideways is actually from the ground, on the tyres. This acts on the CoG (or better to call it Center of Mass), so if this CoM is above the tyres you get a torque, because the mass doesn't instantly accelerate, but resists the force. This torque then needs to be countered by having more force on the tires on one side than on the other, which when you take into account things like suspension, causes body roll, or in the extreme case the car lifting wheels on one side completely off the ground.

If you put the center of mass below the car then think what happens not during turning, but during braking. The center of mass will swing forward underneath like a pendulum (think of what happens to something hanging from the rearview mirror during braking) and if you took it really far down you could even get the car to do a wheelie while braking, which is of course ridiculous.

If you want the car to be completely flat during turns, acceleration and braking then you need to put the center of mass at the ground level. This way when you turn and the ground puts a horizontal force on the car at the contact points with the road (ie. the tyres), it goes through the center of mass and there is no torque generated. No torque = no body roll.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by infinitezest » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #200

Zanni wrote: post #176

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Kids prefer messaging because it's asynchronous, not because they prefer text.

Now here is free startup idea: Instant messaging of vines or tiktoks. Just send videos of your messages to your friends or groups. Maybe even try to replace twitter... Probably 3 different apps really...

This exists and it's called Marco Polo