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Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by thr0w72594 »

q4Zar wrote: post #10

I'm a software developer and i pass literraly 80% of my time working to make my family survive to this world, and honestly the only thing that i have in mind it's to flippin go in the forest for a walk, i don't understand the thing of wanting so much to be isolated and wear a fucking VR mask, this world is fucked up !

I agree with you completely. It actually makes me angry that corporations will seemingly stop at nothing to rape the Earth for their own profit and control. They want to replace everything natural and beautiful with a cheap simulacrum, and hope that the SSRIs and porn keep the population complacent while they take everything away from them.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by j245 »

playpause wrote: post #62
j245 wrote: post #12

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Interesting question - What replaced the word Apple ?

That’s different. “Apple” is a very common everyday word, plus it’s arbitrary as a tech company name so the two are never confused in any reasonable context. “Meta” is a niche but useful word used in intellectual discussions, and Meta’s usage of it is relevant to its meaning. This means “meta” is far more under threat from Meta than “apple” was from Apple, because whenever someone describes something as “meta” in an…

okay - so you’re concerned there is a high chance of collisions in this case as apposed to companies like Stripe, Amazon and Oracle where there is less scope for confusion.

> Meta’s usage of it is relevant to its meaning.

Is it though ? - I thought Meta the name is just a shorthand for Metaverse, so the confusion is bounded to discussions on that topic.

Maybe I’m unable to see the issue. Can you give an example where this overloaded word will cause confusion ?

We definitely need to have a conversation about the pro’s and con’s of various things associated with Meta and the metaverse. This name collision thing just feels like a non issue to me.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by paulcole »

lm28469 wrote: post #69
Arisaka1 wrote: post #29

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Remarks like these remind me of something John Carmack said in Joe Rogan's interview: >“There’s this piece of art that goes around the internet of this dystopian kid in a corner, drooling, with goggles on with rainbow pictures and it’s a terrible looking place,” Carmack told Rogan. “And people say, ‘This is the world you’re trying to build, people plugged into virtual reality and ignoring the world around them.’” >“I…

> We change the world around us in all that we do. We live in air-conditioning. And we see that it clearly has a very negative impact overall so idk what kind of argument is that. "everything sucked so we destroyed our environment and enslaved ourselves to machines to make it bearable"

Yeah and I have Type 1 diabetes and inject myself with insulin. I’m kinda glad that we bent the world to my will there.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by meheleventyone »

TheColorYellow wrote: post #66
meheleventyone wrote: post #15

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I think there’s prior questions of what does interoperability actually add and why doesn’t it already exist? For example with the web the interoperability is really between the browser and websites rather than between websites. Although a few do interoperate. This is more similar to how Roblox or Steam works where one program lets you join lots of different games and maintains some common state than common ideas of i…

Interesting question, but doesn't a "metaverse" require interoperable applications to some extent? I think the Zuck use case was buying a t-shirt for a virtual avatar and I want to use that t-shirt in other applications. There is a matter of interoperability required at the level of the data that sits behind both applications as it pertains to the user that sits on the other side of those applications. (meaning just…

I don’t think it’s axiomatic that the metaverse needs interoperability of t-shirts. What I’m asking for is arguments for why that is the case and given that the current Internet is basically a metaverse sans interoperability why we haven’t seen it done yet. It’s not really a technical hurdle IMO.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by rchaud »

q4Zar wrote: post #10

I'm a software developer and i pass literraly 80% of my time working to make my family survive to this world, and honestly the only thing that i have in mind it's to flippin go in the forest for a walk, i don't understand the thing of wanting so much to be isolated and wear a fucking VR mask, this world is fucked up !

This isn't for you. It's for the current generation of kids who've grown up having their attention spans destroyed by having a screen in front of them their whole lives.

A good chunk of them live online, having parasocial relationships with Twitch streamers and Youtubers, or buying skins to put on their characters in Fortnite. I have almost no idea what Roblox and Minecraft are besides world building, but kids get addicted to that too.

Lots of money to be made.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by netcan »

xattt wrote: post #74
netcan wrote: post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

Is underwhelming performance/delivery a deliberate strategy? Carmack vs Zuckerberg I think can be summed up as follows: one builds things things people will genuinely like, and the other one force-feeds people until they like it and know no other option.

Performance & delivery are, to an extent, in the eye of the beholder. Success is relative to whatever you're trying to achieve.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by ootsootsoots »

netcan wrote: post #86
xattt wrote: post #74

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Is underwhelming performance/delivery a deliberate strategy? Carmack vs Zuckerberg I think can be summed up as follows: one builds things things people will genuinely like, and the other one force-feeds people until they like it and know no other option.

Performance & delivery are, to an extent, in the eye of the beholder. Success is relative to whatever you're trying to achieve.

There’s no real obligation to view Zuckerberg as a success at anything.

Behavioral economics of the preceding decades trained people to sit and stare.

His success is due to a shared idea lots of money = positive contributor

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by philjohn »

mmffrrss wrote: post #77
netcan wrote: post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

Much like Microsoft's misstep in not taking the internet seriously in the 90's, and not taking smartphones seriously in the 2000's.
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