Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone. 2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a…
>Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. It's not scanning on the client side, it's hashing. People on this site should really understand the difference. The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side. Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup, and they have to do something if they don't want the legal,…
They are (their code is) looking at every item and reviewing it opaquely to us, and deciding if they should have an employee look at tiny thumbnails to tell the cops the owner is a pedophile. Its (a) not real hashing - its "perceptual" which is fancy math that says they're looking at thumbnails and (b) cycling through every item in a list and running an Algo against it is what I'd call scanning - lets not get bogged down on the terms.
We all know the tech details they shared, people on this site all understand the difference. We know the algorithm is easy enough to produce collisions. We know that apple said multiple 3 letter agencies can determine what goes in the bloom filter, and it would be downloaded from the internet and not audited. We know they are going to open it up to other countries governments too. We know that its on if you want to use opt-out services.
> The alternative, as many have pointed out, is them uploading your whole image to be scanned server side.
> Smart money is that this is a move in front of Apple encrypting your whole icloud backup
The whole image is being uploaded server side anyways.
My smart money says that this won't lead to encrypted backups anytime soon. Too many other things in those backups.
> social liability of being a free encrypted cloud storage for CSAM
I don't really think there is much tbh. That said, it is clear people would rather have non-absolutely-private cloud than a non-absolutely-private personal device. I know I would!
People criticize apple for "not letting you own the device" and this is a much bigger step down that road. I would rather a less-absolutely-private cloud service than an absolutely-private-everything where my local stuff is scanned.
> There's lots of reasons to criticise Apple, this isn't one.
There's lots of reasons to criticize Apple. Including this one.
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#194We used to call "reactionary" content sensationalism, and that type of content has always been predicated on fallacious arguments, but especially appeals to emotion. Facebook's algorithms seems very good at dectecting and pushing content that makes users have an emotional response. They now have developed a feature where is someone or a page posts a comment to a page or group that I am not subscribed to, Facebook wil…
Algorithmic content is great when it shows us things we want to see, but by it’s very nature it can be exploited to show us that which we most despise in an attempt to increase engagement.
I’m willing to go so far as to say the Algos in question are actually just optimized for engagement, not necessarily nefarious, but because we’re human, most people have an innate desire to make the world better in whatever way they can. Many believe discourse can help, but that’s obviously turned out to be flawed in the context of online conversation, where others can distance themself behind an online facade.
As long as we are optimizing for engagement, I feel all social media is doomed to the same fate.
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#195This is an investor's view and the subtext seems to be "We're making a lot of money out of this, and I expect we'll make a lot more." The problem is that it's only an investor's view. It's quite dismissive of Facebook's very real political problems, and doesn't acknowledge that for many people - especially, but not exclusively younger users - Facebook is a terminal combination of boring, evil, and cringe. But more th…
> leaving FB to carry on as a kind of AOL for an ever-decreasing userbase until it's sold off for far too much money to some other large corporation which should know better. Mapping FB onto AOL here feels like an effective way of summing things up. Although I'm trying to remember because it was a long time ago: did AOL make any grandiose product moves that ended up signalling its decline? I'm inclined to say no, but…
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Founder loyalty is much larger among employees than it is among investors (in general, don't know about FB).
OK. How do you know this?
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#197This is an investor's view and the subtext seems to be "We're making a lot of money out of this, and I expect we'll make a lot more." The problem is that it's only an investor's view. It's quite dismissive of Facebook's very real political problems, and doesn't acknowledge that for many people - especially, but not exclusively younger users - Facebook is a terminal combination of boring, evil, and cringe. But more th…
> MANGA This was a funny bit when i saw it on twitter yesterday, but if we're actually going to update our top 5 tech companies acronym let's do it comprehensively. Google has been Alphabet for a while, so MANGA should be MANAA. And I haven't understood why Netflix is in there for a while now, I think we should swap it for Microsoft. What do we think about MAMAA?
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what company approves that? Kissing by the number that have FB accounts, most?
Sorry, moving too fast. “Judging by the number that have FB accounts, most?”
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> The only way FB could grow was by pushing content that got people riled up. Not sure if I've ever believe it was the only way for them to grow. I hate Facebook (product) for what it has become but it is an excellent tool for its original use, which is keeping in touch with friends/family/communities.
So is email.
1. No guaranteed-attention obligation from your circle, so you're free to share more things
2. Algorithms for YOUR attention so you see what you want to see in the order of importance. If you have very little time, you only see the most important things.
Email, Slack etc. are not even in the same category, it's like comparing a postcard to a newspaper headline
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#200As much as I am not a FB fan, I give Zucc credit for dedicating an entire keynote to his vision of the future. What are all the other tech companies' visions for the future? Who knows! They never talk about the future. Apple almost never talks about anything more than a month away. Their vision of the future? Looks like it's probably: a brand new phone, similar to and released precisely one year after the previous on…