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The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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> but he's likely actually specifically referring to pressed fent (or fent analogue) pills that are made to look like real oxycodone pills That sounds like a really, really bad idea. Wow.

Bad in terms of "public health" or bad in terms of "I sold the rest of my drugs"?

Bad in terms of hard drugs disguised as a more desirable drug.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Did they separate the culture link from a potential genetic link? Maybe the association exists in a culture because it is a real effect, it just differs between groups.

I've heard (purely anecdotal) rumors that North Korea basically runs on Meth. I'm not sure if that is true but I suppose it would explain a lot.

Imperial Japan was heavily dependent on amphetamines for wartime production and military stamina, and even gave the drug a patriotic-sounding name. It is definitely a useful tool for a totalitarian regime.

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> slavic nootropics and neuro-regenerative peptides (e.g. semax/NASA, BPC-500, more info?

Apologies; I confused BPC-157 with TB-500, and made a horrible amalgamation. What do you want to know? Do you have some specific goal you want achieved or curiosity that you would like satisfied? It's been a bit since I've been involved with these things. Most of it is underground, but I can give you a quick rundown. BPC-157 and TB-500 are regenerative peptides. BPC-157 seems to be more "global" and neuro-involved th…

Looks like there's NASA sold in spray form, how would that compare in efficacy to subcutaneous injection?

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Well, to be fair. Your drug use can't put me in the ICU.

Not directly, but addicted people sometimes turn to violent crime to raise funds, and that violent crime certainly can put you in the ICU.

You can apply that logic to almost anything people use as a vice or get physically/psychologically addicted to

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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The 'dirty secret' you refer to (1) is mostly wrong because partying with LSD was popular in the early 80s, not meth, and (2) the gay community is and always has been very up front about risky behaviors and how to minimize the risks. Just because you're unaware of something doesn't make it a secret.

All other literature have told me exactly the contrary in terms of attitudes concerning risk. So, do you have a non politicized source for your statements?

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Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Not directly, but addicted people sometimes turn to violent crime to raise funds, and that violent crime certainly can put you in the ICU.

Meth is definitely one of the drugs that becomes a public nuisance, since people do become erratic and violent while using. Meth users are the only people that worry me when walking through our city since it can make people who are already unstable become unpredictably violent. I wonder if other drugs were legal would people still do meth?

Meth was legal until the 70s, society functioned. The current problem is another side effect of the war on drugs

https://www.history.com/topics/crime/history-of-meth

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Yeah, it's not about you... it's the other people you may infect and kill. Kids are mostly fine... if only they didn't have teachers or parents.

Teachers and parents can get vaccinated themselves, no? I thought the vaccine works, doesn’t it?

The Alpha variant of COVID-19 was strongly suppressed by the vaccines that were approved in the US, and also the others globally.

Since around early Summer Delta has been the dominant variant, which is extremely more transmissible.

Even if vaccinated, Delta still retains effective transmutability, though (maybe?) to a reduced degree even for fully vaccinated individuals.

Since we still don't have sufficient tests to do blanket systematic tests of the entire population on a regular basis, it's extremely difficult to find asymptomatic cases. I've never been notified of an exposure, and have not had symptoms that I could attribute to COVID, thus haven't ever been tested during the entire pandemic.

For all I know, the vaccines could be effective and I might have had an asymptomatic case from someone who's not using WA notify (Washington state's notification app system) and would never know it.

I worry about the risk of spreading the disease to those who are not yet able to be vaccinated, which will soon thankfully include ages 5+ in the US; but that still doesn't allow for providing strong resistance and immune system training to the youngest children.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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If only they'd legalize, tax, and regulate the meth... We could get our real cold symptom treatments back as true OTCs and stop wasting so much time chasing petty criminals. It would also help identify drug addicts and get them help before problems become bad.

If they did that, the consumption would only go up, resulting in even more overdoses. That’s what happened in Portugal, after drug decriminalization — drug consumption there went up significantly (with exception of heroin, which went down, but it also went down in other European countries at the same time which did not decriminalize it). Full on legalization will increase consumption even higher. Of course, one might…

> That’s what happened in Portugal, after drug decriminalization — drug consumption there went up significantly (with exception of heroin, which went down, but it also went down in other European countries at the same time which did not decriminalize it). Full on legalization will increase consumption even higher.

...Do you have sources on this? My awareness of Portugal's situation is basically the opposite of that, ascertained via [1][2][3] et al. I'm interested in dissenting information if it's available. I also wonder why it is that the assumption is "more drug use" == "bad" when the range of things that constitute 'drugs' is so wide - from alcohol to cannabis to lsd to cocaine, there's a ton of delta between the effects (sociological and personal) of use.

[1] https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-po... [2] https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1... [3] https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/greenwald...

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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If they did that, the consumption would only go up, resulting in even more overdoses. That’s what happened in Portugal, after drug decriminalization — drug consumption there went up significantly (with exception of heroin, which went down, but it also went down in other European countries at the same time which did not decriminalize it). Full on legalization will increase consumption even higher. Of course, one might…

Well, to be fair. Your drug use can't put me in the ICU.

> Your drug use can't put me in the ICU.

Take this to its logical conclusion, please. It's the big bang's fault!

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Oh wow. I saw the title and was ready to explain how the cartels had perfected p2p synths such that they yield almost exclusively pure d-methamphetamine, but before explaining that I was going to need to explain the general concept of chirality and enantiomers, and the fact that for amphetamines (especially meth) the d-entantiomer is always the "one you want" and the l-entantiomer is always the less desirable, less p…

Is down regulation a form of protection? Or what is the driver behind the down regulation mechanism?
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