Why are so many people trying to "solve" messaging? It's not a problem for 99.999% people in the world. They use SMS/Whatsapp/Telegram/Messenger. It works splendidly. We are happy. Please stop expending effort on this useless endeavour. Do something else.
Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
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Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#402what about discord? :(
sadly, discord ToS forbid "self-botting", so the only legal option is to use a Discord bot, and that's far from seamless and requires guild admin cooperation, I assume that's why they aren't advertising it
Discord's actual stance against third party clients is far more convoluted, and explained by this comment by Jake: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#403> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…
Come on. E2E encryption is about transmitting the content in transit and in the cloud (if there's a cloud). After people receive your text they can do anything with it.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#404Back in the day before the rise of Facebook, there was an open source service that combined all the popular messaging protocols - MSN, AoL, IRC, etc. It was called Pidgin[0], and it never got particularly big. I see the same thing here. While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is. What's the niche that needs this solved in a big way? [0] https://www.pidgin.im/
Now there is another open source alternative: Matterbridge (https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge) connecting: Mattermost, IRC, Gitter, XMPP, Slack, Discord, Telegram, Rocketchat, Twitch, SSH-chat, Zulip, WhatsApp, Keybase, Matrix, Microsoft Teams, NextCloud, Mumble, VK and more.
The use case is simple: instead of using plethora of IM apps, have all your conversations in one place.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#405> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…
I want this to take off. I'm tired of having to follow trends because people suddenly think there's a new shinyshinytrendy thing around: IRC to ICQ to MSN to Skype to Google Talk to Facebook Messenger to Whatsapp to Signal. Pidgin is good (I also miss the ancient Trillian, even though it was closed source), but limited to a local device. There are XMPP Transports as well for these (see https://git.eta.st/eta/whatsxmp…
Not sure if it's still around, but bitlbee for a long time provided an IRC gateway for almost every chat protocol around at the time (including following Twitter feeds, and Google/Facebook chat via xmpp when they still supported it)
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can anyone verify that?
Reproducible builds. https://reproducible-builds.org/
Reproducible builds allow verifying that your build is correct by rebuilding it
It doesn't help you verify that the server you're connected to is running the binary you've been given.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using Beeper.com for a while and it's surprisingly stable despite how brittle one would expect these bridges to be. Given that puppeteering should be indistinguishable from real application usage and that $5/month/user should be more than enough to diversify IP addresses, I suspect the model can actually be sustainable in the long term.
I'm kind of curious how Beeper will handle some of these - they claim to soon support WeChat, and emulating WeChat is a bit insane, because it collects so much data that it's a walking GDPR violation, there's no way to stop it, and we are talking things like "please repeat the numbers in chinese, then english, while looking straight into your phone" at login.
Uff, that sounds insane. I suppose they released those "features" gradually and people just went along.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#408The biggest things going for Element:
Integration with other services could be a gateway drug!
Works everywhere (any of the 5 devices I use), and can see all messages once I've entered my encryption key, while maintaining a good day-to-day level of privacy (I'm no expert but this is what I understood). This unlocks the potential to use the app as a go between for reminders and note taking! Without exposing that data or having it censored.
All the flexibility of Discord, Signal and Telegram for organizing chats, people and contexts.
The biggest let downs so far:
Voice channels work like traditional VOIP calls, making it unsuitable as a replacement for discord. Integration with other platforms to solve this seems insufficient. To become de-facto it needs to offer the discord experience of joining a voice "room" or being in a voice room by yourself without needing additional set up.
Confusion about spaces vs rooms etc. The interface is fine, but it could use some polish to distinguish between the different situations.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want this to take off. I'm tired of having to follow trends because people suddenly think there's a new shinyshinytrendy thing around: IRC to ICQ to MSN to Skype to Google Talk to Facebook Messenger to Whatsapp to Signal. Pidgin is good (I also miss the ancient Trillian, even though it was closed source), but limited to a local device. There are XMPP Transports as well for these (see https://git.eta.st/eta/whatsxmp…
> why would you trust ANY 3rd party with your so sensitive data Because trust is not a binary value and I don't have the time to do literally everything myself
I'd go further -- absent pressure, there is never any reason to trust anyone. The more pressure one faves, the more one has to trust people.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#410> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…
(Element CEO here). Honestly, it depends on your threat profile. Any kind of bridge has to inevitably MITM your conversations in order to work, and we’ve tried to spell that out in all the product info about Element One. If you want to avoid your E2EE conversations on Signal or WhatsApp being relayed via a service like Element One (because you’re an activist or whatever), then your options are to not bridge at all, o…
> or run a bridge yourself
Quick question, is the code for the bridge opensource?