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Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Relevant stuff from the article: “India’s supreme court has ordered an inquiry by an independent committee into the question of whether the government used Pegasus surveillance software for illegal spying. The committee will comprise three cybersecurity experts and its work will be overseen by a retired supreme court judge. It will submit its report in two months. In announcing their decision, the judges criticised t…

Two months is not a lot of time for four people to investigate their government.

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> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

> I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said.

The court did say this

> "This is of particular concern when it relates to the freedom of the press, which is an important pillar of democracy. Such chilling effect on the freedom of speech is an assault on the vital public-watchdog role of the press, which may undermine the ability of the press to provide accurate and reliable information," the judgment said.

Source: https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/pegasus-national...

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India…

>> (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India had such checks and balances left.)

The new assertive Indian supreme court is after the new CJI took office. The previous CJI was very pro government - for certain reasons.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India…

This sense about a measure of authoritarianism or failure of democracy, feels like a moral high ground, to pick and pry on India , in almost every Indian journal. Yet they write article upon article, in India , of suppression of freedom , which seem not related at all!Why is that? Are these colonial standards essential for all of common-wealth ?

Not sure what you mean; What sense? what colonial standards?

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> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India…

What makes this democratically elected government authoritarian?

India is surrounded by communist China, Islamist Pakistan, Afganistan, Bangladesh (where only a couple of days ago 300 Hindus were murdered by Islamist for no reason), Military dictatorship in Myanmar.

I do not know what benchmark you use for authoritarianism.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India…

What makes this democratically elected government authoritarian? India is surrounded by communist China, Islamist Pakistan, Afganistan, Bangladesh (where only a couple of days ago 300 Hindus were murdered by Islamist for no reason), Military dictatorship in Myanmar. I do not know what benchmark you use for authoritarianism.

EXACTLY. You can't just label any government you don't like as undemocratic or authoritarian randomly. If elections were held and when there were no electoral fraud and people voted for this Government, it doesn't just magically become undemocratic just because you don't like it.

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> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

Hard to give benefit of doubt to elected representatives who wanted to form an investigative committee by themselves to investigate whether they themselves deployed Pegasus and spied on country’s citizens. “Yeah, right.”, that’s what SC effectively said to them here.

The problem is that the SC is also corrupt in India and highly undemocratic.

Even

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/in...

The judiciary acts like the mafia.

  Then, in 1993, it ruled that only sitting judges would be able to appoint new members of the judiciary. It was a coup of sorts. India’s founding

  Over the years, the scale of the problem has become staggering. In 2010, Bhushan’s father, Shanti—who, as the law minister in the government that dethroned Indira Gandhi in 1977, had been a key force in repealing many of her draconian decrees—submitted to the Supreme Court, in a sealed document, the names of eight chief justices who he claimed were “definitely corrupt.” His efforts went no further, though he now faces a contempt case of his own.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i did what? i posted tweets of what is going on RIGHT now in my town that is related to tech and internet and governments. what did i do?

You replied to a post that was not originally about what is going on right now in your town to talk about what is going on right now in your town. I understand that you really want to talk about it, but the proper way to do that would be to make a top-level submission about what is going on in your town right now.

Not just unrelated but also unsubstantiated to score cheap internet points. Keep that to Reddit please.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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The Indian government is democratically elected, the supreme court is a closed club. The Indian government investigates citizens with shady international activities. The (undemocratic) court wants access to state secrets. Not happening.

That's rather tragic. The judiciary can be reigned in one way or the other by the legislature. Ideally, the country should have a strong executive (like the POTUS) who is accountable to the people instead of the legislature.
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