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Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by yorwba »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #9
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do this.

i did what? i posted tweets of what is going on RIGHT now in my town that is related to tech and internet and governments. what did i do?

You replied to a post that was not originally about what is going on right now in your town to talk about what is going on right now in your town. I understand that you really want to talk about it, but the proper way to do that would be to make a top-level submission about what is going on in your town right now.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sinyug wrote: post #10

> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives

You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India had such checks and balances left.)

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

sinyug wrote: post #10

> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

Hard to give benefit of doubt to elected representatives who wanted to form an investigative committee by themselves to investigate whether they themselves deployed Pegasus and spied on country’s citizens. “Yeah, right.”, that’s what SC effectively said to them here.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by saimiam »

gigglesupstairs wrote: post #6

Relevant stuff from the article: “India’s supreme court has ordered an inquiry by an independent committee into the question of whether the government used Pegasus surveillance software for illegal spying. The committee will comprise three cybersecurity experts and its work will be overseen by a retired supreme court judge. It will submit its report in two months. In announcing their decision, the judges criticised t…

Current Indian resident here. This is the NDA government’s default response to any and all questioning - that the questioner is out to malign india.

The ploy is obvious and transparent but seems to be working. I just wish we had a viable opposition party/alliance whom we could send to office.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by maccolgan »

saimiam wrote: post #14
gigglesupstairs wrote: post #6

Relevant stuff from the article: “India’s supreme court has ordered an inquiry by an independent committee into the question of whether the government used Pegasus surveillance software for illegal spying. The committee will comprise three cybersecurity experts and its work will be overseen by a retired supreme court judge. It will submit its report in two months. In announcing their decision, the judges criticised t…

Current Indian resident here. This is the NDA government’s default response to any and all questioning - that the questioner is out to malign india. The ploy is obvious and transparent but seems to be working. I just wish we had a viable opposition party/alliance whom we could send to office.

It's not really a NDA government default response, it is also the de facto default response for any alleged government mishap. It straight up dates back to the Emergency days.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by CtznIndn »

saimiam wrote: post #14
gigglesupstairs wrote: post #6

Relevant stuff from the article: “India’s supreme court has ordered an inquiry by an independent committee into the question of whether the government used Pegasus surveillance software for illegal spying. The committee will comprise three cybersecurity experts and its work will be overseen by a retired supreme court judge. It will submit its report in two months. In announcing their decision, the judges criticised t…

Current Indian resident here. This is the NDA government’s default response to any and all questioning - that the questioner is out to malign india. The ploy is obvious and transparent but seems to be working. I just wish we had a viable opposition party/alliance whom we could send to office.

There is a viable Opposition. Just because Gov patronized Media does not promote Opposition's activities does not mean there is no opposition. Even today,Rahul Gandhi's press conference on Pegasus was not covered by prominent News Channels as they were asked not to. It's onto the citizens to see the opposition, and not invalidate it's presence. Primarily, The parroting of 'no viable opposition'' has to stop.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by CtznIndn »

maccolgan wrote: post #15
saimiam wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current Indian resident here. This is the NDA government’s default response to any and all questioning - that the questioner is out to malign india. The ploy is obvious and transparent but seems to be working. I just wish we had a viable opposition party/alliance whom we could send to office.

It's not really a NDA government default response, it is also the de facto default response for any alleged government mishap. It straight up dates back to the Emergency days.

No. It's more prominent and widespread under the current government. Multiple governments post Emergency did hold onto Parlimentary and democratic traditions and attempted to provide answers and held themselves accountable during such mishaps. Its disingenuous to mark ANY current mishap by present gov to "Emergency days".

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

maccolgan wrote: post #15
saimiam wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current Indian resident here. This is the NDA government’s default response to any and all questioning - that the questioner is out to malign india. The ploy is obvious and transparent but seems to be working. I just wish we had a viable opposition party/alliance whom we could send to office.

It's not really a NDA government default response, it is also the de facto default response for any alleged government mishap. It straight up dates back to the Emergency days.

Still doesn’t absolve the current dispensation or make it any less callous. Topic at hand is current government’s attitude and not of previous governments.

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by NikolaNovak »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #9
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do this.

i did what? i posted tweets of what is going on RIGHT now in my town that is related to tech and internet and governments. what did i do?

I'm late to the game and not the downvoter, but I assume it's because you picked a relatively random, only vaguely related post to hang your comment off.

It may or may not get more traction or interest, but is likely to at least get better reaction, if you make it a top level comment or its own submission. Where/as it is, it just feels random and almost bot-spammy.

My 100 Croatian Lipa, for whatever it may be worth :)

Re: Indian Supreme Court orders inquiry into state’s use of Pegasus spyware

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Post by th3iedkid »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12
sinyug wrote: post #10

> The judges said indiscriminate spying could not be allowed and highlighted the “chilling” effect it could have on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I don't know if this is what the judges said or if it is the Guardian's spin on what they said. Either way, the Indian constitution has no separate guarantee for "freedom of the press."[1] Theoretically, the press has as much (or as little) freedom as the comm…

> I would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to elected representatives You and everyone else marching India towards authoritarianism. Following the tracks of every failed democracy that didn't fall to an invasion or military coup fails: not understanding the difference between majoritarianism and democracy. (I was actually surprised to see the Supreme Court pushing back on the government--I didn't realize India…

This sense about a measure of authoritarianism or failure of democracy, feels like a moral high ground, to pick and pry on India , in almost every Indian journal. Yet they write article upon article, in India , of suppression of freedom , which seem not related at all!Why is that? Are these colonial standards essential for all of common-wealth ?
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