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Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by broodbucket »

freeopinion wrote: post #241
tao_oat wrote: post #97

> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…

If privacy mattered that much to you, you wouldn't depend on Signal to encrypt your messages. You would encrypt them before handing them to Signal. So you should have an encrypted message that you hand to Signal. Signal encrypts it again and hands it to the bridge. Eventually, whether at the bridge or at the other end or wherever, something decrypts the Signal message. Then the person you are communicating with appli…

Your method delivers optimal conversation privacy by ensuring no-one would want to jump through the hoops to talk to you.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by Isthatablackgsd »

jcul wrote: post #314
hellojesus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't grapheneos allow some type of sandboxing to wall off your true contacts, etc. for exactly this purpose? https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/nkyzdw/what_is_the...

Shelter can be used for this purpose if desired. https://github.com/PeterCxy/Shelter

I believe Insular can do this as well. I prefer Insular since it allows me to open the app directly and more quicker.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #329
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #228

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I'ved heard that pitch before. It's always true only for some length of time. Protocols change, services evolve, companies transform, products are deprecated and people are fickle. I've used all-in-one messengers before. They come and go like the wind. You'll be downloading a shiny new all-in-one messenger periodically anyway. Just trading one kind of inconvenience for another.

Perhaps if we normalized messenger interoperabiltiy, there would be less churn in "all-in-one" clients. That churn exists mostly because platforms actively fight their users on this. And still, periodically changing an all-in-one messenger is still better than keeping and changing half a dozen messengers.

Unless those official clients have features not available in the all-in-one client. Like encryption, which this one apparently lacks.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by teitoklien »

ho_schi wrote: post #55

This kind of stuff never works reliable of even fully. Because? There is no standard. And especially Telegram and WhatsApp will have absolutely no interest in keeping it working reliable. If you send your data anyway over this questionable services you're already in a concerning situation adding more possibilities for failure doesn't help. I use Matrix and it is certainly a good thing and the connections to other stu…

Telegram actively goes out of their way every day to support third party clients , and even keep their systems open to risk of heavy botting/spam , just to support third clients. (And they do have to fight against a lot of malicious bot activity).

I use their client api to build cool stuff for my userbot all the time, i have great respect for telegram and matrix.

Signal and Whatsapp are more apt when considering walled gardens, not telegram.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by jakecopp »

pmlnr wrote: post #110
tao_oat wrote: post #97

> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…

I want this to take off. I'm tired of having to follow trends because people suddenly think there's a new shinyshinytrendy thing around: IRC to ICQ to MSN to Skype to Google Talk to Facebook Messenger to Whatsapp to Signal. Pidgin is good (I also miss the ancient Trillian, even though it was closed source), but limited to a local device. There are XMPP Transports as well for these (see https://git.eta.st/eta/whatsxmp…

Eric Migicovsky, Pebble founder who now runs https://www.beeper.com/:

> These bridges are actually just an intermediate step. Since Matrix itself is an amazing chat network, eventually as more people start using bridges on Matrix, they’ll notice that their friends are already on Matrix, eliminating the need for bridges gradually over time.

> I really believe that the world will be a better place when everyone is in the Matrix. Matrix is the non-proliferation treaty of chat.

https://medium.com/@ericmigi/the-universal-communication-bus...

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by Diti »

dunefox wrote: post #161
tiagod wrote: post #140

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How can I verify you're running unmodified, unhooked source in your server if I'm a user?

How can anyone verify that?

Reproducible builds. https://reproducible-builds.org/

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by xanaxagoras »

Steltek wrote: post #298
xanaxagoras wrote: post #217

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People available to communicate with is a key metric of a communications platform. All of these services lack a large number of regular people. For better or for worse, Signal is the one with the most.

If you self-host Matrix, you can still bridge to Signal while avoiding the walled garden trap and having complete control of your data? If you don't want to self-host, then you must be comfortable extending trust to someone. SaaS Matrix and Signal seem to be two sides of the same coin, in that case.

Except my messages are E2EE and signal can't read them. This bridge breaks that encryption before it's reached the intended recipient, which if that recipient is me, I very much don't appreciate it.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by zaik »

KAMSPioneer wrote: post #328
topdancing wrote: post #193

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For the past two years; I've been using Conversations (Android), Dino (Linux), and friends of mine have been using Gajim (Windows), Monal/Siskin (iOS). All of these work fine with OMEMO (the iOS ones gained better OMEMO and push support in the past few months) and message history retrieval between clients. Gajim doesn't do inline images, but the rest do. I occasionally use profanity as a console client and that recen…

I use Conversations and Dino daily, they're awesome. When I'm stuck on MacOS or iOS I use BeagleIM and ChatSecure, though Monal looks a little more slick...maybe I should try that. There are a few options yet for XMPP clients, I have some hope for the ecosystem...!

I think Monal can't do encrypted group chat yet.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Post by zaik »

topdancing wrote: post #193
comice wrote: post #189

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> for encryption fans, I've been wondering for a long time now: why would you trust ANY 3rd party with your so sensitive data instead of running your own service? Are you not aware of OMEMO for XMPP? we ran our own XMPP server for over 10 years using the "off the record" plugin for end to end encryption. Development seem to basically stop on open chat clients a few years ago and everything started getting crufty. (I…

For the past two years; I've been using Conversations (Android), Dino (Linux), and friends of mine have been using Gajim (Windows), Monal/Siskin (iOS). All of these work fine with OMEMO (the iOS ones gained better OMEMO and push support in the past few months) and message history retrieval between clients. Gajim doesn't do inline images, but the rest do. I occasionally use profanity as a console client and that recen…

> minus group OMEMO on iOS

siskin.im has support for OMEMO encrypted group chat

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