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Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by paulmd »

adfrhgeaq5hy wrote: post #214
paulmd wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-point) scenarios. https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17024/117496.png Why do you think megahertz myth is relevant here? Core for core A15/M1 is plainly faster than any of its peers, ignoring clocks, and it is even farther on top when you do look at clocks (i…

>OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-point) scenarios Finally a sensible comparison! As I said, it is quite impressive. >it doesn’t mean low-clocked x86 magically beats A15. Nor did I ever say it would. What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an…

>What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an advantage.

it's obviously an advantage when you're leading on IPC by a factor of 4-6 (don't forget x86 has SMT) across a variety of benchmarks, and trailing on frequency by a factor of 2. Simplified numbers, but that's roughly the shape of things here.

you're just throwing up your hands and insisting that nothing matters, but it's pretty simple. Processors can be benchmarked, and those numbers can be analyzed, there is no need for nihilism in something so simple as CPU benchmarks.

People just don't like the outcome of that analysis and are looking for reasons to downplay it. Nihilism "nothing can be benchmarked, nothing matters" is certainly an interesting one.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by Razengan »

tommit wrote: post #248
ec109685 wrote: post #8

I always wondered why Apple was pushing so much functionality into the iPhone that almost all users really didn't need. I was thinking it would get them ready for coming AR glasses and whatnot, but it was also preparing them to win on the Mac side as well.

You might not need that full power now, but it certainly helps with the longevity of the devices. That's another pretty important factor IMO

Yep. The 4 (5?) year old iPhone X still feels slick as hell.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by bhouston »

dagmx wrote: post #273
bhouston wrote: post #242

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> What sort of studio do you work at? Wrote and sold software into the VFX industry. Most notable Deadline, a fairly popular render manager. Also wrote/sold another dozen or so tools into the industry. While CPU renderers are popular among the old crowd, no one wants to use them because they are super slow. The cycle time is brutal and it kills artist productivity. Artists want redshift, octane, GPU cycles, and hybri…

That is not the part of your statement that I was saying is incorrect. The part that I still say you're wrong about is the statement that people who use CPU renderers do so because they're old school. To claim that is ignoring the realities of how GPU renderers handle large scenes. You again try and say the big studios are laggard in adopting tech, and have tired pipelines. That's not why they're using CPU rendering.…

You are not a precise person.

You now say "That is not the part of your statement that I was saying is incorrect."

But your first response was to say that I was "Completely untrue."

Those two statements contradict themselves. That should teach me not to argue on the internet.

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Post by hajile »

jb1991 wrote: post #238
KennyBlanken wrote: post #208

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Final renders may be done on CPU for maximum accuracy, but that's not what is being discussed . What's being discussed is desktop workstation rendering. Mental Ray, heavily used in the industry for feature films: GPU accelerated since eleven years ago. Pixar licensed a bunch of GPU rendering tech from NVIDIA in 2015, so that's six years ago. Autodesk Arnold After Effects Chaos V-Ray Weta Gazebo and Manuka ...all GPU…

> Pixar licensed a bunch of GPU rendering tech from NVIDIA in 2015, so that's six years ago. Pixar still primarily renders on the CPU. Only within the last year have they added a hybrid GPU option to the Renderman renderer.

Only since July of this year as I recall.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by zeusk »

mlyle wrote: post #278
zeusk wrote: post #94

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it's launching this week fwiw

It is? Source please. I've heard, for availability , "before the end of the year" and "Q1 2022" for mobile Alder Lake, which is what we're talking about.

Keep your eyes peeled tomorrow, desktop skus should ship early November.

https://wccftech.com/intel-officially-launches-12th-gen-alde...

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by EvgeniyZh »

spiderice wrote: post #63
sydthrowaway wrote: post #57

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Finally some objectivity to stop the M1 love fest

Except it ignores the fact that it requires 5 times the power to barley edge out the M1 Max. It certainly isn't going to end the M1 love fest.

So 200W for mobile processor? Are you sure? I'd say 65W tops

M1 lovefest won't end just like MacBook lovefest haven't ended all this years when Apple made stuff everyone criticizes now.

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Post by dang »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #194
paulmd wrote: post #160

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Yes, it is the same cpu die with a few enterprise feature flags turned on, it’s no faster, it’s actually slower due to the lower TDP you note. You don’t understand what you’re talking about and you’re openly hostile to the person who tried to explain it to you lol.

And a Porshe is the same as a Kia, just with a few racing features. >You don’t understand what you’re talking about So you look at the graph I linked that shows the Xeon model is faster than the consumer I9 chip. And your brain says "the Xeon is slower." Then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Tell me, do you ever stand in a lake and tell people you're dry? Are you in the lake to hide the pee? Do you tell p…

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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by dang »

paulmd wrote: post #160
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #157

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Again, the Xeon is not the same CPU, is faster than the 11980HK, and has a lower TDP. What is it that you are not understanding here? Let me explain: the same CPU would have the same metrics. These two have different metrics. So they are not the same, because they are different. Does ya got it now?

Yes, it is the same cpu die with a few enterprise feature flags turned on, it’s no faster, it’s actually slower due to the lower TDP you note. You don’t understand what you’re talking about and you’re openly hostile to the person who tried to explain it to you lol.

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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by dang »

adfrhgeaq5hy wrote: post #214
paulmd wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-point) scenarios. https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17024/117496.png Why do you think megahertz myth is relevant here? Core for core A15/M1 is plainly faster than any of its peers, ignoring clocks, and it is even farther on top when you do look at clocks (i…

>OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-point) scenarios Finally a sensible comparison! As I said, it is quite impressive. >it doesn’t mean low-clocked x86 magically beats A15. Nor did I ever say it would. What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an…

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