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Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by rubyist5eva »

nsonha wrote: post #386
rubyist5eva wrote: post #198

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I don't think expecting Apple to implement every single pet feature of every single power user is something that is reasonable.

Aranging windows is not a "power user feature". It's a basic thing that all other desktop OSes have. If you think hotkeys are "power user" things then replace them with gestures. Mac has none. They actually do have windows splits, it's just unfortunate that they force a workspace onto them. If anything workspace is a power user feature. Many including myself rarely use it. I could not if I wanted to because it looks…

You’re mad that Apple didn’t design their operating system around your personal preferences. Personally, I’m accustomed to the way the Apple does things and personally feel the Windows way of doing do things very annoying to use (I end up needing to use Windows a few times per week). So I guess we cancel each other out :) Linux desktops have every feature under the sun but they have so many other problems I find them utterly unusable. That is why I use Mac, perhaps you would be better suited with a different platform if it annoys you so much. Sounds like you just prefer the Windows workflow ergonomic to me.

Also, FYI, you can split left and right on mac by hovering over full-screen button while holding the option key: https://imgur.com/a/VNSQR8l

It's not a hotkey, but it gets the job done.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by ehakan »

rreichel03 wrote: post #564
ehakan wrote: post #115

The Macbook Pro 16" thermal throttling problems with external monitors [1] finally seems to be fixed with Monterey by enabling low power mode. (At least with 16:9 60Hz monitors). I've been dealing with `kernel_task` hitting 900% CPU usage and the entire window server running at 2 FPS when using external monitors since I got the mbp 16" a year ago. Good riddance. [1]: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-is-hot-noi…

I experienced this and found that switching to connecting via the right side USB C ports rather than the left side fixes thermal issues. It’s explained a bit more in this SO post: https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/363933

While the right side power thing is still an actual bizarre issue, I've been running the exact same "B state" where the power is on the right side and usb-c hub and usb-c to DP cables are on the left since the beginning, and it nothing for me. So whether this helps or not really comes down to your luck in peripherals combination.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by ungamedplayer »

dual_dingo wrote: post #491
hnarn wrote: post #481

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This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.

I am not very experienced with Arch, but my impression is that it is actually more reliable when updating/upgrading then going to a new major MacOS release, which is an absolute disagrace given the fact that Apple can actually test their stuff on every single hardware model it is supposed to run. And no, my experience on general user behaviour is to expect no backup, but this isn't Auntie Ednas crocheting Facebook gr…

Imagine the hardware that arch has to support vs the hardware configurations that arch has to support.

Makes you think on the QE that goes into the release.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by mdisibio »

fnord123 wrote: post #216
Smoofer wrote: post #200

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This is the _biggest_ thing holding MacOS back?

Reboot for an upgrade happens by holding a spin lock until it overheats and reboots. This happens every time on multiple computers so I think it's intentional(?) but the crash reports are pretty wild. No official package manager. The Macbook cases ground through the user when they're on an insulated surface (there is no ground pin on the Macbook power adapters). Audio crackles when the machine grounds through the use…

> No official package manager.

That's the app store. It just needs to be extended to deliver a wider range of things like CLIs or system extensions.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by II2II »

dual_dingo wrote: post #491
hnarn wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.

I am not very experienced with Arch, but my impression is that it is actually more reliable when updating/upgrading then going to a new major MacOS release, which is an absolute disagrace given the fact that Apple can actually test their stuff on every single hardware model it is supposed to run. And no, my experience on general user behaviour is to expect no backup, but this isn't Auntie Ednas crocheting Facebook gr…

I would only call it a disgrace if the issue did not appear in testing yet appeared for a large number of users or if Apple released and update where problems appeared during testing.

Keep in mind these upgrades are being done to an OS that has a unique history based upon how the computer was used in the past. Issues that did not appear in testing are going to come up after release. Then there is the potential defects in the manufacture of a particular unit or due to how it was handled. In other words, it is legitimate to miss an uncommon fault.

As for Arch, I understand why the warnings exist. That being said, I have found it to be very reliable. I typically attribute it to changes being incremental, meaning that problems are less likely to arise; and due to development being done in the open, resulting in a larger pool of testers before it even hits rolling distributions like Arch (never mind distributions that do their own testing).

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by avinassh »

tempfs wrote: post #340
MrWiffles wrote: post #181

I haven’t seen this anywhere when I’ve looked, so I’ll ask here on the slim chance maybe they really added something I badly want and somebody knows… Is there any application forced sandboxing feature yet? Something users can control to forcibly stop bad behavior from certain “must have” apps. Chrome, for example, has been caught doing entire drive scans on Windows, and I’m not sure I entirely trust Zoom either. So I…

Well... you could create a new user profile, install the apps to that user's profile, give their group access to the folders you want the browser to be able to get to (Downloads folder, whatever), then lock them out of anything else....then run the browser as that user only. aka (sudo -u Bob /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/Firefox ) OS perms should do the rest. I don't know if OSX has a firejail equivalent b…

wow, this is such a great tip. Can I use the Zoom same way?

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by james33 »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #465
skhr0680 wrote: post #312

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The easiest way to avoid “surprises” when installing a Mac OS update is to wait a few months and let early adopters be the gunnies pigs.

Yep, solid advice. Just went from Catalina to big sur a few days ago based on this principle.

How's it been? I'd still been holding out, but I've been thinking about finally moving up to Big Sur this week.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by fnord123 »

zepto wrote: post #324
fnord123 wrote: post #216

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Reboot for an upgrade happens by holding a spin lock until it overheats and reboots. This happens every time on multiple computers so I think it's intentional(?) but the crash reports are pretty wild. No official package manager. The Macbook cases ground through the user when they're on an insulated surface (there is no ground pin on the Macbook power adapters). Audio crackles when the machine grounds through the use…

What do you want from an ‘official’ package manager?

Annoint brew. It feels like a total hack that you need an open source project which gets meagre funding (I tishinkbthey donate some hardware) is the only way to get a >2k machine to be useful for development.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by TheJoeMan »

james33 wrote: post #577
PUSH_AX wrote: post #465

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Yep, solid advice. Just went from Catalina to big sur a few days ago based on this principle.

How's it been? I'd still been holding out, but I've been thinking about finally moving up to Big Sur this week.

You get no new advantages, can keep doing the same things (such as using the newest XCode) and all new disadvantages, like the Messages pop up in the upper right now takes 3 clicks to reply to because they collapsed the menu into “more” drop down. Now just extrapolate that to every pop up.
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