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FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by jobigoud »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28
__m wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

You've probably just seen the special counter-terrorism forces at one of the big French airports like CDG, as part of Vigipirate plan. These are not police but military. Half of city police forces don't even have firearms, let alone rifles.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by TacticalCoder »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28
__m wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

> I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy.

I confirm in France. I've seen group of policemen (or army?) in the (very crowded) Paris subway stations with dogs and "uzi" weapons.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by shapefrog »

vorpalhex wrote: post #6
barelysapient wrote: post #2

I mean, who honestly even wants to 'responsibly' disclose anything like this if they live in the US? The risks of assault rifle toting FBI agents coming for coffee at six AM outweighs any benefit I can think of.

Either be very anonymous or very public.

> very public

Not working out so great for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter who "hacked" the website by looking at it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/missouri-st-louis-post...

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by N19PEDL2 »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28
__m wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

In Italy, rifle-armed personnel of the Army are used to guard areas at risk of terrorist attacks, e.g. train stations and other crowded areas. AFAIK they never had to intervene; I think their purpose is mostly deterrence.

In Italy there is a civil police force and a military one (named Carabinieri) and both of them carry guns. However, only when they have to raid the homes of high-risk people, e.g. mafia criminals or terrorists, SWAT-like units (named NOCS the police unit and GIS the Carabinieri unit) are deployed.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by javajosh »

Yes well there you go - if you keep putting your boot on the face of the person trying to help you, don't be surprised if people stop trying to help you. I find myself surprisingly in favor of the FBI's actions - good! Attack and destroy researchers and journalists that share their findings in a responsible way! Force it all underground, keep them silent, keep systems from failing a test, keep them from improving, and so let them rot, from the inside, until another presumably healthier system replaces it from the outside.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by skissane »

amarant wrote: post #36
rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

Italy does have what they call carabinheri (unsure of spelling?), which is basically a special kind of police that has automatic rifles. They do seem to patrol pretty much like normal police though, so I'm not sure what the distinction is other than the armament

The Italian Carabinieri are a gendarmerie – a military police force with civilian policing functions – such as the French National Gendarmerie (whose name is also used as the standard English word for this type of police force), the Spanish Guardia Civil, etc.

Military police in English-speaking countries usually only have jurisdiction over military installations and military personnel; they do not perform civilian policing functions except in exceptional situations such as wartime or national emergencies. By contrast, gendarmerie are military police who perform civilian policing functions in normal circumstances.

There isn't necessarily a huge difference in practice between gendarmeries and ordinary civilian police forces; gendarmeries tend to have tougher recruitment standards, a more disciplined ethos, be more heavily armed, their members will have received military basic training which covers skill areas which most civilian police training does not, etc. However, even in countries with gendarmeries, the civilian police often have elite units which are on par with those of the gendarmerie; and, in France, much of the gendarmerie are assigned to policing small towns and rural areas which is often less challenging work than that of the civilian police in the big cities.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

amarant wrote: post #36
rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

Italy does have what they call carabinheri (unsure of spelling?), which is basically a special kind of police that has automatic rifles. They do seem to patrol pretty much like normal police though, so I'm not sure what the distinction is other than the armament

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Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by barsonme »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #28
__m wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

Ditto.

In nearly 30 years of living in the US I can only ever recall seeing police officers patrolling with long guns twice: once when I visited the US capitol, and once at a big festival/parade thing in Bellevue, WA.

Seeing the officer in Bellevue patrolling with a long gun was actually quite unsettling. Even though all police in the US are armed and most have a long gun in their vehicle, they very rarely carry them in public. Even at sporting events, airports, etc.

Conversely, during the short period of time I spent in Germany and Austria I saw many police with long guns. (And that echoes my wife’s experiences in France and a couple other European countries.) They were primarily at airports and city centers, so it’s probably a terrorist thing. But it was very apparent—sort of how I imagine Brits feel when they visit a country with regularly armed police.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Post by google234123 »

getcrunk wrote: post #38
code_diego_code wrote: post #9

Some further follow-up and resolution of the case: https://www.databreaches.net/prosecution-drops-five-felony-c...

Unbelievable. Poor guy went to jail! And was raided 2 more times. I actually want to cry

He sent intimidating messages to an FBI agents wife . That's stepping over some line

Edit was wrong about the content of the message to the spouse

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