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FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

What the officers did in both the original and comment article I would deem criminal abuse of power. Thankfully I believe police in America are have become more keen as of late on the whole not acting like an outlaw gang; with the rise of police accountability, police being charged/convicted/sentenced, and departments paying massive sums for poorly trained wayward officers.

The speed/level of abuse of force stories has dropped substantially in the past 6 months; I suspect it's not because the people becoming quieter.

Should anyone here serve on a jury panel in America, do not forget you can vote not guilty if you believe the officers acted improperly or the punishment of trial/detention/seizure far outweighs the original non-crime. Jury nullification is a strong force of good which legally cannot be brought up in the courtroom itself, but is important for cases like these.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

What the officers did in both the original and comment article I would deem criminal abuse of power. Thankfully I believe police in America are have become more keen as of late on the whole not acting like an outlaw gang; with the rise of police accountability, police being charged/convicted/sentenced, and departments paying massive sums for poorly trained wayward officers. The speed/level of abuse of force stories h…

> Thankfully I believe police in America are have become more keen as of late on the whole not acting like an outlaw gang;

This isn't really true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/nyregion/nypd-police-covi...

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-police-covid-vaccine-man...

https://abc7news.com/amp/san-francisco-vaccine-mandate-sfpd-...

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

What are you talking about civil and military police in "continental Europe"? In most countries there's a military police which polices the military, a police which polices regular peope, sometimes a gendermerie which is sometimes nominally a part of the army under civilian control, and which is either for policing the countryside - France or for riot control/backup and special cases (e.g. a football match that requires lots of police) - most of Eastern Europe. In the latter case they're sometimes more hevily armed, but not even close to US police. And idepedently of those there are special heavy units for counterterrorism stuff and similar (akin to US SWAT), which can be a part of either entity - in France there's one at both and they work together. But they're deployed only in very specific and heavy cases.

In any case, the problems with policing in Europe aren't even close to those in the US, and i don't think any of then can be attributed to hving two policing entities with different scopes.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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I mean, who honestly even wants to 'responsibly' disclose anything like this if they live in the US? The risks of assault rifle toting FBI agents coming for coffee at six AM outweighs any benefit I can think of.

Seems safer to sell it on the dark web for some sweet monero and wait for the statute of limitations to expire.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

I think you've been seriously mislead about European police. Your description is of the heavily armed US police and not like any police force you'll hear about in Europe.

The actual military police only police servicemen and have no authority over civilians, you will only find them in army towns.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

In the UK, most police don't even carry guns normally.
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