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FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

In the UK, most police don't even carry guns normally.

Same in Norway.

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

Are you American? This assessment of European police is so wrong I can't fathom how you got it. I've never even seen an armored police vehicle.

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/05/arrests-after-raids-at-e...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/police-raid-homes-busin...

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/5/20/the-child-victi...

You're missing the issue. The big problem in the story is that the Government still sees people responsibly disclosing vulnerabilities as threats.

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Some further follow-up and resolution of the case: https://www.databreaches.net/prosecution-drops-five-felony-c...

Thanks for the follow up link. The outcome is depressing and rather disturbing.

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

In Romania most police raids happen at 5 AM, knock on a door a few times if no one answer, the door is breached and everyone is ordered to get on the ground, if it is a child there it is removed by a police officer, taken outside and calmed. The police enter with pistols drawn, no rifles because flats and houses in Romania are small and is hard to maneuver with the rifle. This is done to most criminals regardless of crime.

The reason is that when you raid someone they can get scared and do stupid things like try to attack the officer, try to escape, use a knife, etc. so you need to overwhelm the subject with force and end the encounter as soon as possible. I am not saying that they are shooting the subject , they didn't shoot anyone in 10 years from what I know, they are deterring him from trying to do anything stupid. If 2 skinny cops knock on the door the subject might attack the cops or try to run, if 7 big, armed officers enter the room while the criminal is half asleep then he is not trying anything and he is captured in a safe manner for everyone.

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.

I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

There is only a civil police here im disgusted when i see videos of how American officers behave they have never learned about disarming with anything but violence absolutely disgusting, here they need atleast 7 years of education, college 3 years then Police academy 2 years then 2 years in trainig this includes fitness and mental tests, in America it seems like they just get a bunch of gear and then off to the Streets. They are one of the reasons why i would never visit america just seems downright dangerous.. sorry for my rant.
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