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The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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We never used cameras before, when we were essentially working remote from our spaces in the office, and we don't use cameras now, when we are actually working remote.

99% of meetings that we have, somebody is sharing their screen to show a slide deck or an agenda or to walk through and troubleshoot something.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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I've put some effort into my setup in the past 24 months; multiple Elgato and Hue lights, a Streamdeck for macros and scene control, condenser microphone on an arm with an audio interface, OBS studio etc. I am not a streamer, but I'm likely set up like one; I've studied their methods of light and composition, and learned a lot. I have some serious scarring from facial surgery decades past, and being able to control t…

Is there a more affordable alternative to the Elgato ring light? I'd love a software-controlled USB ring light but $200 for such seems a bit steep.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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I've put some effort into my setup in the past 24 months; multiple Elgato and Hue lights, a Streamdeck for macros and scene control, condenser microphone on an arm with an audio interface, OBS studio etc. I am not a streamer, but I'm likely set up like one; I've studied their methods of light and composition, and learned a lot. I have some serious scarring from facial surgery decades past, and being able to control t…

In all fairness, I just spent a couple of weeks looking into webcams, and I ended up getting a Logitech StreamCam as well -- I almost got a Brio, but from what I can tell, really nice 60fps 1080p on the StreamCam looks better than 4K 30fps on the Brio.

I really like the StreamCam so far, and I would say it's probably the best camera on the market right now for all-purpose video usage (not quite as expensive as the top tier, but 95% of the way there in quality; better looking than the C920/30 webcams you see around a lot of offices).

Ditto on lighting though. I don't use any kind of video-specific lighting, but just putting more lamps on my desk has made a world of difference. And I think the backlighting effect also makes my monitors less stressful on my eyes.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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What is your use case? There is really no need for a high-quality condenser mic in the vast majority of cases. For work meetings, voice chats, streaming, etc. the difference between an AT2020 and a high-quality mic will be entirely imperceptible.

To be fair, the AT2020 is a high-quality mic compared to the dollar store AirPods your colleagues are using...

Or the dollar store microphones that my rich tech company employer insists on putting in meeting rooms.

I spent a little bit of my own money to make my home video setup as nice as possible. It's frustrating that coworkers are now returning to the office and the meeting room video/audio quality is still pure garbage.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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We are pretty small and have a 'camera on' policy for our one one hour meeting on Friday every week, and if you don't want to have your camera on you are asked not to participate, and an eight hour interview day every Tuesday. The only exception is for observers present during the meeting (for instance: customer representatives that do not have anything to contribute but are just there to listen and make their own no…

Your meetings are IMPORTANT. Your time is important. Most of the schlubs here spend lots of time in meetings where they listen to people talk about things that have little to do with them, or decisions are made where they have no input. You don't live in the "this meeting should have been a 6 line email world." For real, actual, important meetings I 100% agree with you, but that's not representative of SOO much time people around here spend.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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Some context: I'm a lead engineer on a team with six products. I keep my camera off in meetings. I'm in far more meetings than I can possibly be productive in. I'm also usually not the active speaker in meetings. Why stare into a camera when what my yearly bonuses are calculated on is work/team output? I've found most meetings I get into are either: - Developers who can't figure something out from documentation and a…

The perceived the need to keep the camera off during a meeting is a good indication there is something wrong with the meeting, not that it's a good thing to keep the camera off. We had some recurring meetings where people consistently didn't show up. The managers first impulse was to make the meeting mandatory. But the first thought should be: why are people not showing up? Engineers hate being unproductive, it shoul…

I worked with some folks from one of the major management consulting firms, three or four years ago. Well into Zoom and other video conferencing being very much a thing.

They strongly favored actual call-in-with-a-phone phone conferencing. No video. Not even, necessarily, a computer at all.

Some places do video conferencing but have a culture of keeping cameras off. Usually this is driven from the top down.

... it is nice to have video for e.g. visual social cues of who might want to say something next, or whatever, but having cameras off is fine too.

However, having the camera off definitely saves a ton on fatigue by keeping you from feeling like you have to sit in one spot, in more-or-less one position, staring at either one particular screen or at your camera, to mime paying attention. Me, I like to pace and wander around the house when I'm on a call, even if I'm very interested in it. Hard to do that with video on.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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Some context: I'm a lead engineer on a team with six products. I keep my camera off in meetings. I'm in far more meetings than I can possibly be productive in. I'm also usually not the active speaker in meetings. Why stare into a camera when what my yearly bonuses are calculated on is work/team output? I've found most meetings I get into are either: - Developers who can't figure something out from documentation and a…

The perceived the need to keep the camera off during a meeting is a good indication there is something wrong with the meeting, not that it's a good thing to keep the camera off. We had some recurring meetings where people consistently didn't show up. The managers first impulse was to make the meeting mandatory. But the first thought should be: why are people not showing up? Engineers hate being unproductive, it shoul…

Some industries that adopted virtual meetings long prior to Zoom becoming mandatory are very used to doing voice-only conference calls.

And they work! Nobody in those orgs thinks they are the equivalent of "not showing up." How do you think bankers, lawyers and CPAs got huge deals done in the 80s and 90s, despite everyone being in different offices and often in different cities? Lots and lots of conference calls.

Video calls are a recent innovation made possible by tech. But many organizations have no functional memory of how to do calls prior to Zoom et al. And so some of them have created these bizarre sets of social norms around having to have video on to be "present", apparently unaware of the decades of doing it without video that worked extremely well with less fatigue.

Personally, I love walking around (if only just pacing) while on the phone. The physical movement makes my mind work better and allows me to better process what the other person is saying. And that's how lots of people did it prior to video.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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The easy fix to this is sharing presentation files before the meeting so everyone can follow along however they want. Meetings should mostly be to discuss the information that you already have, not to be surprised with brand new information.

Couldn't agree more with this, however it's hard to make happen in practice. A lot of times people are so caught up in their own tasks and responsibilities they don't set aside time to read up before a meeting, not to mention slides/docs are rarely laid out well enough for people to inform themselves completely.

You can't make your coworkers do anything. But if you're the boss, you can create whatever type of meeting culture you want. Some companies do read-aheads very well, which I really like.

The point isn't to come completely informed. Just enough to prepare some thoughts and questions.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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To make a different point than all the camera naysayers so far: I I'd be WFH for two years during covid, and everyone had their cameras off, I'd go crazy. Not seeing a face for months, being stressed about the other party in a meeting not even paying attention, just speaking into a void etc.

It's extremely rude in my opinion when people simply don't turn their cameras on in virtual meetings. Unfortunately, no one at my workplace except me does.

I don't know, I have kept my camera on for the last 6 months during my current project and it is exhausting. Its not like a regular in person meeting, your face is magnified. Every flaw is made larger, if I have not shaved or had a chance to shower yet (we have very early meetings to accommodate offshore teams) its obvious. Keeping the camera on means that people are seeing your house which is far more personal that meeting in an office. I have kids that regularly wreck the place and if I don't have time to clean up after dropping them off at school it can be obvious. In addition camera being on means I have to face it and it limits my ability to work during the meeting. One might argue that I should not be working during the meeting but I have work that needs to get done regardless of how many useless meetings I am dragged into every day (lots). I decided today that going forward I am going to keep my camera off. If someone calls me out on it I will reconsider but going forward I am going to be comfortable. Working from home already means I am always at work, I am going to attempt to claw back some of my independence.

Re: The fatiguing effects of camera use in virtual meetings

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Do you feel this during in person meetings? Where you are constantly surveilled and every movement you make watched? You feel this way shopping in the grocery store? Where the cashier is constantly looking at you when speaking? Is your productivity lower because the other people in the store can see you?

The problem with virtual meetings is you can't tell what someone is looking at. If you have 9 people looking straight ahead, it looks like they are all looking at you. This may not be an issue for you, but it makes some people uncomfortable. Add anxiety disorder and it's a fucking nightmare. I have no issue if I can see where people are looking.

I have never had anxiety in my life and being on camera every day for hours has gotten me most of the way there.
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