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Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Unlike the USA, Mexico has warnings on their Coke and Pepsi, about excess calories and how it is not meant for children.

Those warnings sure worked considering childhood obesity of mexico

Simply because a car is moving you cannot conclude that it’s brakes do not work.

If the rate of childhood obesity would have been higher without the warnings, then they do indeed work.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Is it just me or does soda taste better out of a can than out of a plastic bottle? I’ve felt this for many years and have even tested by pouring into glasses. I like the can one better. Is this just me?

Definitely tastes better in a glass. Canned and 2 liter seem more carbonated to me than glass or smaller plastic bottles, so maybe decanting/decarbonating helps a bit.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Kind of tangential to the article but regarding phosphoric acid and its use as anti-nausea, is this why bubbly white sodas are a household cure for upset stomachs? This was a go-to for my family in the US as a kid when I had a stomach flu (saltines and 7-up), and i guess it was pretty common

7-up is lemon/lime flavored, easy to digest, and colorless so it doesn't stain when you spill it or throw it up again. I don't know whether its acidity or carbonation help, though lemons and limes are also anti-nausea remedies (limes are also delicious and prevent scurvy!)

However, in my experience Coke/Pepsi (phosphoric acid) and ginger beer/ale (ginger extract) may work better as anti-nausea medicines.

Canada Dry was sued for their Ginger Ale not containing "real ginger" (as per the label), but I think it still contains something like ginger extract. The anti-nausea effects may be one reason airlines serve ginger ale as an in-flight beverage.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Being Scottish, Barr's Irn Bru (full fat) was my go-to as a pick-me-up after a night on the sauce. Sadly now ruined by artificial sweeteners replacing some of the sugar due to government sugar taxes on pop.

Ah I haven't had Irn Bru in ages. I used to find it at some supermarkets in the US, but I haven't seen it in around a decade. Sad to hear they've changed the recipe.

Sadly it's not just Irn Bru they ruined. Many soft drinks now taste completely off because of the sugar tax thing here. Another favourite treat was "Old Jamaica Ginger Beer" and that's now undrinkable. Sad days for those of us who enjoyed these things as an occasional pleasure and not as part of our daily diet.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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In case anyone else is curious about this: >The research, published August 18 in Nature, focused on the effect of a high-fructose diet on villi, the thin, hairlike structures that line the inside of the small intestine. Villi expand the surface area of the gut and help the body to absorb nutrients, including dietary fats, from food as it passes through the digestive tract. The study found that mice that were fed diet…

Worth noting that the "in mice" qualifier might be particularly apropos here. > According to Taylor, the observations in mice make sense from an evolutionary perspective. "In mammals, especially hibernating mammals in temperate climates, you have fructose being very available in the fall months when the fruit is ripe," he said. "Eating a lot of fructose may help these animals to absorb and convert more nutrients to f…

That just means they get fat for no reason.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Ginger actually does have noted positive effects on nausea and stomach upset, so ginger ale could presumably help.

The common ginger ale brands contain no ginger.

Are you sure about that? What do you consider the common brands? The one that most immediately comes to mind for me is Canada Dry, which does contain ginger extract.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Uhh... sure. If you don't want to call it fermentation that's ok. Though I don't imagine human gut bacteria are respirating, or some other more exotic form of metabolism. Point is, the products of bacterial metabolism of sugar in the human gut tend to cause issues, as in lactose intolerance, or the more rare sucrose intolerance. Hence my request for a citation on fibre delaying absorption of fructose so that "bacteri…

"Raw material for growth" means actually using the carbons to make the molecules that the daughter cells are made out of. So, not fermenting, and not respiring either. I am only passing on what Robert Lustig, who is in a position to know, reports. You would have to ask him.

How do you imagine the carbon makes it from the sugar and into the components of new/larger cells? Magic? It has to be metabolized first. In the gut, mostly through fermentation.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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The common ginger ale brands contain no ginger.

Are you sure about that? What do you consider the common brands? The one that most immediately comes to mind for me is Canada Dry, which does contain ginger extract.

Out of curiosity I checked, and Canada Dry is about 2% ginger extract. I’m not sure what the ideal percentage of ginger should be, but that seems kind of low. Given that they’ve been sued over this before, I suspect that this might be just enough extract to cover their behinds.

My go to brand, Seagram’s, contains “natural flavors”. Content and concentration unspecified.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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Good article, but I'm skeptical of the point raised in the "P.S." section (which leads me to doubt some of the other points in the article): > aspartame has basically zero negative effects ...diet cola is much safer than real cola. I won't argue that sugar isn't bad for you, but I don't think the science (and my own observation) agrees that diet cola - specifically aspartame - is "much safer" or somehow healthier. Th…

The article’s claims of non sugar sweetened soda being healthier than sugary sweetened seems to be a fair claim.

> For me, drinking a sugary soda is an infrequent, deliberate decision - one I don't take lightly. There's a guilt that comes with it, but I think that's a good thing to make me think twice. But I also see people drinking diet soda all day, every day, thinking there are essentially no negative consequences (when there obviously are).

I notice people eating excess sugar and carbs all day. Even without drinking a sugar sweetened soda, more people are consuming excess sugar and carbs. Therefore sugar sweetened soda is still worse than non sugar sweetened soda.

But that’s neither here nor there when comparing the consumption of just sugar sweetened and non sugar sweetened soda.

Re: Two conspiracy theories about cola

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"Yes, whatever the duration, you'll eventually stop vomiting some time after taking the medicine." That's a gross oversimplification. You could continue to vomit. You could also die. There are multiple types/causes for vomiting. Not all vomiting simply stops on it's own. "It's good old mind-tricks of correlation vs causation." I'd say this is more than just mind tricks. The study shows there's a strong correlation an…

Mostly vomiting stops on its own and people don't die. Even when someone dies, it won't break the beliefs of survivors because they don't believe it works 100% of the time anyway. In your case, you even took an ineffective dose of Emetrol but still believed in its effectiveness despite that! How many ineffective doses would it take for you to not credit Emertol with stopping the vomiting? If there's a scientific stud…

The dosing isn't based on a single dose. Obviously if you vomit it up before the initial dose has time to work, then you need a second dose.

Did you look at the study linked in these comments? Or are you just going to go on and on about cultural medicine and mind tricks?

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