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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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laws are for the poor

Laws are for the poorly connected. But you'll get more internet virtue points phrasing it your way.

"Yeah, one of those days, I was smoking a joint after leaving my shift as a janitor in a hospital and the police took me. If I hadn't called my friends Buffet and Elison to help me, probably I would be still stuck in jail." - Nobody, ever.

Being poor and poorly connected, in the real world, are basically the same thing.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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> There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective Wish.com would heavily disagree with you I'm sure. Almost everyone I know has ordered at least one thing off them, some use it more than Amazon these days for their overpriced useless junk needs

Where do they advertise? I've never heard of them... When I go to the website I can't see anything without logging in. What do they sell?

Facebook and Instagram

They sell random guff. They're eBay if you replace other sellers with Alibaba

You're on hacker news mate, you are not their target market. Don't judge popularity with your blinkers on haha

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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You are right - That’s another practice is morally dubious (And imo should be outlawed!) (Not on the purchasing companies side, but on google selling keywords for someone’s brandname which effectively forces companies into bidding for their own name)

> You are right - That’s another practice is morally dubious (And imo should be outlawed!) Where this gets tricky is when a business has a name along the lines of [city name] [generic product category]. If this was outlawed, a competitor to a business named Foo-town Yard Care would be effectively blocked from advertising on Google.

Another interesting policy is that Google's Ad policy says "We don’t investigate or restrict trademarks as keywords.", however they will protect against ads on their own product search terms and trademarks.

I work for a company where our competitors are paying for ads over our brandname, but try to do that for Google...

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

What's a good alternative to gmail? Fastmail? Protonmail? Other? I don't mind paying a small subscription.

I've done my research just yesterday and decided upon mailbox.org. I fully switched over in less than 4 hours.

It's hosted in Germany (GDPR regulations and reasonable privacy), supports custom domains, provides cloud storage and office suite and supports full inbox encryption with your own public key - the service provider allegedly can't even read your email after they encrypt it.

To move your existing email from GMail, first remove large junk/spam/ads emails and then download everything with Thunderbird over IMAP, then slowly copy emails to mailbox.org folder.

It also provides cloud storage (which I intend to use in addition to Syncthing) and cloud office suite.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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I tell everyone about Firefox and uBlock Origin. Blocking YouTube ads is enough of an argument to convince anyone to at least try it out. I've never seen someone who didn't love the ad-free web experience. It's actually safe to just install this software on random computers: people's quality of life will be invisibly yet thoroughly improved, they will notice that things are just better even if they can't explain why.…

> It's actually safe to just install this software on random computers +1, i actually did this a couple times on some friends computer when i noticed they hadn't any blocker installed (although i did tell them afterwards). Let's run a crowdfunding to rent some maleware on shady forum to install ublock origin without consent :)

Related to the last bit: I was somewhat surprised DuckDuckGo is not a total scam because for years it got installed on my pc packaged with other software if I wasn’t paying attention (or the installer was especially crappy and didn’t let me opt out)

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Frankly, I'm not sure about the current state of things, seeing as it likely has changed several times in the past few years. However, a) I'm not sure why Goog would want to bother with browser accounts otherwise, and b) my use of Chrome ceased soonish after I had the following experience in the early 2010s: - set up a new empty site, listed absolutely nowhere, on quite dedicated hosting. - open it in Chrome. - a cou…

Registered domain names are public information.

Yes, whois is public but not all TLDs publish a list all domains and those lists of are usually updated only once per day. On the other hand it is very possible that they used the TLS transparency logs from the CA.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Don't vote Republican. But they decrease my taxes! Too bad pay up.

How would that work? Both of the accused companies' executives and majority of workforce are hard-line Democrats.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

> What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do?

Nothing. This can't be fixed. Where there is power, there will be abuse. This is an unfixable trait of humanity. What can be done is reducing the impact of abuse and regularly investigate and educate about them. Transparency is important here, and regulating individual power.

> I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses,

Those already exist. Just support them. Or do you mean specific cases like misusages in the ad-market?

> Is this possible? Has anyone tried something like this?

History is a constant battle of powers about abuse. Those problems are neither new, nor special. Abuse will always exist, and it's the daily struggle of humanity to find the balance between the benefits and losses for all the different groups around the world.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Maybe Google’s researchers are kept out of the loop.

I tend to doubt that a team of top-notch economics researchers is entirely unable to notice that the market they are studying is being manipulated (even if they are in the dark about specifics of the manipulation)

Depends how threatened they feel that discovery would be for their career.
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