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Post by cmeacham98 »

pier25 wrote: post #306
lamontcg wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

I have close to 15 years of emails stored in Gmail. Is there an easy way to download that or move it to another provider?

Gmail still offers IMAP, right? Use your favorite mail client (if you don't have one, Thunderbird is FLOSS and pretty good) that has an archiving feature.

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Post by Drdrdrq »

Taywee wrote: post #285
djbusby wrote: post #228

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This whole thread is about Google doing things they shouldn't.

Yes, and claims still require evidence. I'm quite anti-Google but I'm not going to just start believing in random theorizing of evil things they could conceivably be doing without evidence.

Otoh, why even bother with Chrome, when you have Firefox, Brave and others to choose from? It's not like there is any substantial difference between them. At this point we don't need (extra) evidence of wrongdoing, the incentives mismatch is enough to not trust them.

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Post by ilaksh »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

The solution to the technopolies is decentralized technologies. I used to write full explanations of how that would work, but my comments about it always get buried. So I don't bother really explaining anymore.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by _dain_ »

Funny how we learned precisely none of this from that so-called "Facebook whistleblower" two weeks ago. Looking at her Twitter, she doesn't seem to have anything to say about it. How strange! Instead, she's just shilling against encryption:

https://nitter.net/FrancesHaugen/status/1452362024856559616

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Post by mietek »

pier25 wrote: post #306
lamontcg wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

I have close to 15 years of emails stored in Gmail. Is there an easy way to download that or move it to another provider?

Yes, you can easily import it to Fastmail.

https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058753594-Imp...

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Post by leetcrew »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #206
hamilyon2 wrote: post #98

I sometimes wonder, what if there was a universal governing principle, that was simple to enforce, obvious, formulated in few words, so that everyone understands it. All those priveleges which every of theese corporations enjoy, some simple, like not publishing schematic for 1000$+ device, some complex, like making backroom deals harming millions of people in a some insignificant and obscure way daily, like showing c…

Currently, companies have to put the needs of shareholders first above all else. It could be changed through legislation that companies need to put the needs of all *stake*holders first. This would mean chemical companies would have to take into account pollution past what is allowed by regulation, this would mean that Google would have to at least consider the well-being of web users as a whole when making decisions…

in reality the "needs of shareholders" can be interpreted pretty flexibly. leaving a lot of money on the table in the short term to avoid a substantial loss of trust in the long term is not a breach of fiduciary duty.

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

_dain_ wrote: post #314

Funny how we learned precisely none of this from that so-called "Facebook whistleblower" two weeks ago. Looking at her Twitter, she doesn't seem to have anything to say about it. How strange! Instead, she's just shilling against encryption: https://nitter.net/FrancesHaugen/status/1452362024856559616

Perhaps Facebook is a very large corporation and different former employees would have different knowledge?

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Post by cyborgx7 »

denton-scratch wrote: post #299
cyborgx7 wrote: post #53

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I read a lot of companies buy advertising specifically for their own name, because if they don't, a competitor will, and will appear first when someone googles the company name.

Surely that's fraud.

They don't pretend to be the other company. They just make sure an ad for their company appears when you search for the other company.

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Post by Angostura »

monopoledance wrote: post #294
whimsicalism wrote: post #275

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Platitudes. > Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for What is this in reference to? Nobody asked for Google to create their ad marketplace? No, there is huge demand for and complicity with targeted ads among millions of small businesses.

Working for Google and Facebook has other ethical implications…. but that’s not what I was referring to. > huge demand That’s my point. Stop working for those small and big businesses in need of pushing solutions to problems they invented. Tho, you seem to imply an ideological/apologetical take on the economy, which isn’t exactly helpful, in any case. The tautology “it exists because it exists” can comfortably offer…

> Stop working for those small and big businesses in need of pushing solutions to problems they invented.

I've been trying to think of examples, but it's difficult.

Google originally thrived because its Search engine pushed a solution for a well-established problem. It's ad business solved a problem for advertisers - and site operators who wanted things simplified. Even Facebook offered a way for people to keep in touch using a medium more convenient than e-mail.

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

_dain_ wrote: post #314

Funny how we learned precisely none of this from that so-called "Facebook whistleblower" two weeks ago. Looking at her Twitter, she doesn't seem to have anything to say about it. How strange! Instead, she's just shilling against encryption: https://nitter.net/FrancesHaugen/status/1452362024856559616

A single person doesn’t know everything that happens at 60,000 employee company. More at 10
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