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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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With about $100b net worth each, I’m going to guess they feel just fine.

That's the thing though. They don't need more money. So why not try to make the world a better place for once? I know they donate to charity but they're uniquely well positioned to influence one of the biggest, and most dangerous, tech company on the planet. I wonder. Do they care? Do they have personal problems that makes the rest seem insignificant? Or do they believe they're truly making the world better?

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

Probably because of a spreadsheet. If they made the right deals, etc. the numbers they report and the returns to the investors increase.

Any time you ask, "why?", the answer is money for the investors.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

Only a journalist who is worried about the possibility of being sued for defamation really needs to consider using alleged in reporting. The truth is an absolute defense to defamation. If you are confident in your reporting, and especially if you have good lawyers, then you don't need to hedge. (Source: was a lawyer who used to do some of this work at one time in my life) Edit: If you are just reporting second-hand o…

> The truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

Sure, if you discount 100% the cost of defamation litigation.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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in this case, the journalist is reporting on the contents of a lawsuit. the journalist is not making any claim to have verified the truth of the allegations, only the existence of the allegations.

They are reporting on documents released in the course of the lawsuit. Unless the authenticity of the documents themselves is in doubt, that's no different than documents obtained from a source within the company.

The "document" in this case is just the complaint filed by the plaintiffs in the lawsuit[1]. "List of accusations" seems like an accurate description.

[1]: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.56...

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Incentivize the economy to not overproduce bullshit ad nauseam. Vote with your wallet, and push for it culturally, or spiritually - offer alternative experiences and goals to consumerism. Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for, which are made for “economic growth” as a goal in it self. (If your factual constraints allow for it.) As long as there is this enormous pressure to sell you ever more…

Platitudes.

> Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for

What is this in reference to? Nobody asked for Google to create their ad marketplace? No, there is huge demand for and complicity with targeted ads among millions of small businesses.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Can a campaign like Mozilla did to promote firefox when ie6 was a monopoly work? Promote a different browser when someone uses chrome with the possibility to get explanations about it. Contacting admins of sites that only works in chrome, this kind of thing. Could this information be used to try to push chromium based browser like brave and edge to switch to another engine, lowering the influence of google on the web…

> Can a campaign like Mozilla did to promote firefox when ie6 was a monopoly work?

Yes; it worked. somehow, they blew the goodwill away.

/me still a Firefox user. I'll fly away if something better comes along - FF is very much a compromise.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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They don't respect due process with illegal mass spying or bazooka dmca on youtube. They just do it, and you can't appeal. So at this point, even if none of that ended up being true (unlikely), I still hope it will hurt their reputation badly.

Ah yes, the old “Truth doesn’t matter because we are fighting the bad guys” argument. Unfortunately a growing sentiment in this day and age.

Oh it does matter. I hope the cops and judges will follow it, I think it's good for democracy. But if they didn't I would not bat an eye in this case. Why spend energy for that ? It's like seing a duchbag slipping on a banana. There is pleasure in watching.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #146

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With about $100b net worth each, I’m going to guess they feel just fine.

That's the thing though. They don't need more money. So why not try to make the world a better place for once? I know they donate to charity but they're uniquely well positioned to influence one of the biggest, and most dangerous, tech company on the planet. I wonder. Do they care? Do they have personal problems that makes the rest seem insignificant? Or do they believe they're truly making the world better?

No, they don’t care. If they did, their relatively paltry donations to charity would be closer to 95% of their net worth at any given moment. They are wholly incapable of spending their current ~$100b, growing at insane rates YoY, in their lifetimes.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Install Firefox and ublock on every single device of friends and family, including mobiles. Reject walled garden not allowing blocking ads.

How ironic... If you browse HN from 10 years ago, you'll see exactly the same advice, except instead of "replace Chrome with Firefox" it was "replace IE with Chrome".

Of course. Google are every bit as bad for society as Microsoft are (and ever were).
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