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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by Negitivefrags »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #216
karaterobot wrote: post #202

This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

They don't respect due process with illegal mass spying or bazooka dmca on youtube. They just do it, and you can't appeal. So at this point, even if none of that ended up being true (unlikely), I still hope it will hurt their reputation badly.

Ah yes, the old “Truth doesn’t matter because we are fighting the bad guys” argument.

Unfortunately a growing sentiment in this day and age.

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Post by atleta »

JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #55
SimeVidas wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe Google’s researchers are kept out of the loop.

Well I imagine so. But it still means google management decided to fund (relatively expensive) top notch research just to act as a front for their criminal operation.

People think all the time that whatever turns out to be bad for them (or the society) has been planned from the beginning. Despite that you basically never see it happening around yourself.

A lot more likely explanation is that they did setup the research lab with 100% honest intentions (i.e. they expected that it would produce value to them) but then it turned out that the results didn't meet their expectations and/or they slowly figured out that they don't have to adhere to all the rules and principles they set out for themselves earlier.

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Post by RNCTX »

slater wrote: post #83
DSingularity wrote: post #82

It’s interesting that only republican states are holding google accountable on all this.

Isn't that part of the whole "we're being silenced!!11~~" nonsense they've got going on?

Is it nonsense? For a tech company to tell the news press that it isn’t allowed to talk about a pres candidate’s crackhead son two weeks before an election? When crackhead son mysteriously had a 400k/yr job from a foreign corporation? When there’s video of said pres candidate bragging about getting a prosecutor fired in that country where his crackhead son is paid 400k/yr?

What’s your definition of nonsense?

Perhaps it’s just nonsense that the supposed news press rolled over and played along because they didn’t want to lose their friends in the DoD and CIA?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #235
adriancr wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could also be via dns records if you published some they would get scanned

Cert transparency logs will show new subdomains too.

Not for wildcard certs, fortunately.

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Post by stackbutterflow »

dqpb wrote: post #146
Digit-Al wrote: post #87

Does anyone else wonder if Page and Brin feel any pangs of guilt over how their company went from "Don't be evil" to such corrupt practises? It really is a classic case study in the journey from apparent idealism to a complete moral vacuum.

With about $100b net worth each, I’m going to guess they feel just fine.

That's the thing though. They don't need more money. So why not try to make the world a better place for once? I know they donate to charity but they're uniquely well positioned to influence one of the biggest, and most dangerous, tech company on the planet.

I wonder. Do they care? Do they have personal problems that makes the rest seem insignificant? Or do they believe they're truly making the world better?

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Post by rrix2 »

phonebucket wrote: post #101
jqpabc123 wrote: post #4

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

> Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. Do you have much evidence for this? Advertisers don’t spend big bucks blindly. Many companies have significant data science teams that keep an extremely close watch on ad spend return on investment.

> Do you have much evidence for this?

Read the complaint in TFA... you can spend big bucks and even actually come out ahead in that, while being manipulated and filched by Google and Facebook.

Both of these things can be possible while one of them is illegal behavior (engaging in price-fixing cartels) and one is simply immoral to many of this forum

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Post by hkt »

alborzb wrote: post #248
checkyoursudo wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a journalist who is worried about the possibility of being sued for defamation really needs to consider using alleged in reporting. The truth is an absolute defense to defamation. If you are confident in your reporting, and especially if you have good lawyers, then you don't need to hedge. (Source: was a lawyer who used to do some of this work at one time in my life) Edit: If you are just reporting second-hand o…

It doesn't matter how strongly you believe in your work. The law (at least in the United States) is "innocent until proven guilty". Until it goes to court, they are presummed innocent. The phrase "alleged" is put in to all reputable journalists work because they follow the law.

Innocent until proven guilty is more of a criminal trials thing. Balance of probabilities applies for libel.

I'm not in the US, but suspect it is similar to the UK where reporters will use "alleged" if they're using the legal defence of "qualified privilege" - which allows them to repeat potentially libellous allegations without themselves being sued for libel. In the case of reporting on documents (especially those made public in legal filings) the documents themselves are subject to privilege, so the journalists don't need to use qualified privilege.

Source: passed my media law exams in the UK.

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Post by microtonal »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #244
lamontcg wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

What's a good alternative to gmail? Fastmail? Protonmail? Other? I don't mind paying a small subscription.

I have been using Fastmail for many years. My wife also switched a couple of years ago. The web interface is fast, they have great IMAP support, contribute to open standards (JMAP). They can also be the DNS server for your domain.

When I contacted support a few years ago about a keyboard shortcut issue in their webmail, they were very friendly and rolled out a fixed to their beta version very quickly.

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Post by csee »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #170
csee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, jail sentences. Fines are good but don't work that well, even if they're large, because of agency conflict of interest. It's mostly the shareholders who are paying the price. The execs already saw their call option paid off with their 10 years of comp while they were running this scam (among others).

I agree, even a hefty personal financial fine which pushes people to the verge of bankruptcy will not impress these people. They will get a new high paying job eventually. The only adequate punishment is a long prison sentence and it would deter other people from doing the same. Btw, also send the "reports" IE management who enforces the project straight to prison with the bosses. Sounds radical, maybe, but all the o…

Agreed, and you'd only have to put a small handful of execs in prison to create a massive deterrence effect. Social climbers and the managerial class are a paranoid, highly socially ovservent, news attentive and risk averse bunch, petrified of reputational ruin.

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Post by pportela »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #244
lamontcg wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

What's a good alternative to gmail? Fastmail? Protonmail? Other? I don't mind paying a small subscription.

Personally I liked disroot, not only does their email fits me well (most of the time), but so does their calendar. For some reason though, sometimes some emails take a bit longer to reach you, but that's quite rare.
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