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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by swiftcoder »

notatoad wrote: post #227
swiftcoder wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Burden of proof is not identical between a journalist and a judge (or a jury of your peers). A journalist who has verified something to be true to the best of their ability is within their remit to report it as fact.

in this case, the journalist is reporting on the contents of a lawsuit. the journalist is not making any claim to have verified the truth of the allegations, only the existence of the allegations.

They are reporting on documents released in the course of the lawsuit. Unless the authenticity of the documents themselves is in doubt, that's no different than documents obtained from a source within the company.

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Post by hoffs »

vehemenz wrote: post #211
karaterobot wrote: post #202

This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

They're not all accusations. One of the tweets is about Chrome forcing logins to Google products (and vice versa), which has officially been a thing for like 5 years, at least. This anti-feature is very well known and is why many of us switched to Firefox.

> Many of us What is this us?

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by Barrin92 »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

>What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do?

support politicians and lobbyists with your money / influence that are in favor of bringing robust anti-trust legislation to bear on the companies in question. The free market mythology is just one of the reasons we are in this situation to begin with.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by lostdog »

kzrdude wrote: post #190

This argument I don't understand https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145206648791366451... Using the median page load time is one of the best tools for analyzing effective load speedups. Sounds legit to me, and they're just trying to speak to the jury.

Yeah, for this whole case we have to choose whether Google or the Texas AG is being more honest.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by TechBro8615 »

adriancr wrote: post #139
aasasd wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, I'm not sure about the current state of things, seeing as it likely has changed several times in the past few years. However, a) I'm not sure why Goog would want to bother with browser accounts otherwise, and b) my use of Chrome ceased soonish after I had the following experience in the early 2010s: - set up a new empty site, listed absolutely nowhere, on quite dedicated hosting. - open it in Chrome. - a cou…

This could also be via dns records if you published some they would get scanned

Cert transparency logs will show new subdomains too.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

moffkalast wrote: post #224
literallyaduck wrote: post #129

Here is how to contact your state Attorney General in the US: https://www.usa.gov/state-attorney-general If everyone asks them to do everything in their power to investigate the the illegal activities and prosecute all parties involved, we might have a chance at one biting. Sending a message beyond an offensively small fine is crucial. If you are in the EU or other locations please post similar information so it can…

I'm sure a global effort will increase the offensively small fine to a medium sized fine. Google: "This is fine." They print money at an astonishing rate with AdSense.

I think the goal of this lawsuit is probably more than just a fine. There will be a push to break up the companies into independent silos so google can’t frontrun its own ad exchange.

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Post by panarky »

aasasd wrote: post #74
braveyellowtoad wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah, so if a user is logged into chrome, Google has permission / is able to track all web activity for that user?

Frankly, I'm not sure about the current state of things, seeing as it likely has changed several times in the past few years. However, a) I'm not sure why Goog would want to bother with browser accounts otherwise, and b) my use of Chrome ceased soonish after I had the following experience in the early 2010s: - set up a new empty site, listed absolutely nowhere, on quite dedicated hosting. - open it in Chrome. - a cou…

Registered domain names are public information.

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Post by vehemenz »

323 wrote: post #100
djsbs wrote: post #76

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I disagree with everything you say, but: “ They were the first "ethical" tech company,” What does that even mean? Unless you equate “ethical” with manipulating their dominant social position to shove a worldview you happen to agree with. Which is a very… narrow understanding of ethics. As well as convenient, and, historically, trite (socially advantaged person agrees w/ the worldview a social institution imposes that…

> What does that even mean? Read HN from 10 years ago. Posters were gushing about how cool and amazing Google is, how much good they are doing to the tech industry, how more companies should be like than and do ethical things like they do, for example support open standards and source instead of proprietary systems. They were saying that Google is a company run by techies who value hacking ethics ideals and not by bu…

If you're suggesting Google is the same company from ten years ago, I think your position is in trouble.

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Post by salawat »

y4mi wrote: post #130
saimiam wrote: post #115

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> occasionally using adblockers I don’t think this is a common way people use adblockers. Do you have any way to back this up? > nor can I comprehend In your first comment, you mentioned AdBlock, the extension, in the context of 42.7% users using ad blocking technology. To me, it read like you thought that the backlinko url was saying 42.7% of internet users use AdBlock specifically.

you only have one internet-capable device you use each month? i got a phone, two tablets, two laptops, a desktop and a TV. my phone uses Blockada and firefox with ublock origin, they both block some ads, but some still get through. one of the tablets is an ipad, which only has the buildin adblock. a lot of ads go through that. the other is a kindle paperwhite, thankfully without any ads. the laptops and desktop pc ar…

Last I heard, Nvidia Shield may have hardcoded DNS endpoints embedded via raw IP address. Your conventional PiHole setup won't work. You'll have to blackhole the ad DNS traffic entirely by blocking the Nvidia Shield's IP traffic to anywhere outside your network. Honestly, it's pretty sad the lengths we're having to go to for privacy, but... There it is.

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Post by RNCTX »

ramraj07 wrote: post #91
aikinai wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a setting (Web and App Activity) to let Google collect activity on Google properties to use for personalization features. I’m pretty sure it does not track any activity on non-Google properties.

I'll believe with at best 70% confidence.

You’re more generous than me
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