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NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

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Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

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I am but one atom in a molecule in a drop in an ocean, but I have pledged to never be involved in the hiring of any person who has had any willing association with any organization responsible for efforts similar to Pegasus, with no exceptions. I will also immediately resign any job that violates the above as well. Trends like this are not to be taken lightly - for the first time in human history, the concept of an a…

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Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#42
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a political argument. If you willingly participate in the construction and deployment of technological systems that are designed to be used to monitor, suppress and ultimately threaten the physical security of people who are non-violently opposed to the current group of people in power, you have essentially declared yourself an enemy of mankind, and I choose to personally act accordingly.

Would you hire a plumber if they worked at an ammunitions factory before?

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Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a political argument. If you willingly participate in the construction and deployment of technological systems that are designed to be used to monitor, suppress and ultimately threaten the physical security of people who are non-violently opposed to the current group of people in power, you have essentially declared yourself an enemy of mankind, and I choose to personally act accordingly.

Would you hire a plumber if they worked at an ammunitions factory before?

This is not a correct analogy. There are multiple legitimate and moral usages of ammunition.

A better comparison would be to ask if I would hire someone who worked for the East German Stasi, or someone who had helped to build the systems used to identify, target and kidnap dissidents in mainland China.

Edit: Additionally, no, I would not hire an ammunition manufacturer who produced ammunition knowing that the entirety of his output was exclusively purchased by a government for the exclusive purpose of assassinating those who were non-violently opposed to said government.

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#44
post #12

It would seem to be the rational thing for NSO to hack a journalist who is writing on them, so that they better prepare for what’s coming. As for all the countries that buy and use NSO, to target and kill journalists, they are all close all allies of the US and Israel. And the US and England were also spying on the journalist Julian Assange, and have kept him in prison and tortured him for over a decade. Ben Hubbard…

He was arrested in 2019 so your “over a decade” claim is demonstrably wrong. Could you point to amnesty international claiming belmarsh is torture?

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#45
post #37

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I can't get behind bifurcation of job market based on what political side you belong to. This seems destructive at best, dangerous at worse. It's like the classic Palantir vs Google argument. I won't hire anyone if they show any sort of activism at work.

This is not a political argument. If you willingly participate in the construction and deployment of technological systems that are designed to be used to monitor, suppress and ultimately threaten the physical security of people who are non-violently opposed to the current group of people in power, you have essentially declared yourself an enemy of mankind, and I choose to personally act accordingly.

Preach!

This should not be misconstrued as a partisan issue. Those who desire these outcomes will make every attempt to conflate it with one political movement or another. They'll appeal to auth sensibilities and moral panics.

It must be made clear that these represent efforts by the powerful to squash dissent and free society. It is an attack on the rest of humankind.

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't get behind bifurcation of job market based on what political side you belong to. This seems destructive at best, dangerous at worse. It's like the classic Palantir vs Google argument. I won't hire anyone if they show any sort of activism at work.

Is “not wanting to work with surveillance” an example of a political opinion from the left, or from the right? It kinda just seems like a personal preference.

Yea I mean how often do you come across a resume that has NSO on it.

I am attacking the underlying tone of political activism in hiring committees. This seems deeply oppressive to me and signals 'internal rot' in corporations.

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#47
post #14

So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?

Hacking is a crime in both Israel and the US. If either government wanted to they could pursue charges. Selling exploits is not illegal in either country AFAIK, and is in fact a booming business.

> Hacking is a crime in both Israel and the US.

It isn't a crime to exploit your own property.

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

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So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?

It is marketed to law enforcement like most spy-craft. If it gets in to the wrong hands what do you do?

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#49
post #22

Forget Y Combinator -- come build the next great surveillance start-up at the IDF's Unit 8200, the world's greatest hacker school and incubator for mass surveillance start-ups. With generous subsidies from US taxpayers, Unit 8200 lets you level up your surveillance game by practicing on 4.5 million Palestinian beta-testers. (Go nuts, it's not like they can sue you!) Plus, say goodbye to those moral qualms -- at 8200,…

8200 has many alumni including many security products, including those protesting about the treatment of Palestinians

This is despite being members of the IDF

https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/09/12/israels-nsa-st...

Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts

#50
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you hire a plumber if they worked at an ammunitions factory before?

This is not a correct analogy. There are multiple legitimate and moral usages of ammunition. A better comparison would be to ask if I would hire someone who worked for the East German Stasi, or someone who had helped to build the systems used to identify, target and kidnap dissidents in mainland China. Edit: Additionally, no, I would not hire an ammunition manufacturer who produced ammunition knowing that the entiret…

Good point, and the NSO example from OP is definitely extreme. But it rings alarm bells for me. It is year 2025 and there are distinct and two separate job markets. One cannot cross the line because your resume reflects your political choice.

This kind of dystopia sucks and I am gonna push back as much as I can. OP's tone was definitely about activism and I can't stand behind it at all.

Also ammunitions producers have no idea where the ammunitions are used. It could be for saving lives in a hostage situation or assassination. Don't blame Intel for making processors that are then mounted on missiles that kill people. This is exactly what's wrong with illiberal ideology.

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