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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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They don't respect due process with illegal mass spying or bazooka dmca on youtube. They just do it, and you can't appeal. So at this point, even if none of that ended up being true (unlikely), I still hope it will hurt their reputation badly.

What mass spying and you can appeal DMCA on YouTube

Youtube appeals processes for all (alleged) infractions are bullshit.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

Only a journalist who is worried about the possibility of being sued for defamation really needs to consider using alleged in reporting. The truth is an absolute defense to defamation. If you are confident in your reporting, and especially if you have good lawyers, then you don't need to hedge. (Source: was a lawyer who used to do some of this work at one time in my life)

Edit: If you are just reporting second-hand on someone else's work and haven't done the investigating yourself, then you might indeed want to say alleged whatevers.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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How would anyone compete with a scam business model? Ad buyers don't care if it's effective. Or rather they need convincing-looking gibberish to convince their bosses that they're worthwhile. Bosses don't want to seem stupid and are afraid of missing out, so they let it continue. I suppose a free-speech distributed search service could make a difference if it was actually better than google. Imagine with distributed…

"Ad buyers don't care if it's effective." Yes, they definitely do.

That in itself requires clarification. There have been years in which Facebook is caught lying about as metrics in all 12 months.

Do ad agencies care if x number of units sell, or do they care that a report cause the commission check to clear? I say the latter, more typically.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

What's a good alternative to gmail? Fastmail? Protonmail? Other? I don't mind paying a small subscription.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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It's quite simple why people do Twitter threads. It's all about the stats for themselves. Everyone wants to be internet famous

I imagine you're probably right. But I still don't understand - why not have a single Tweet, with a summary of a blog post running on your own domain? Wouldn't that make you even more internet famous?

Unlikely. Things which can be fit into Twitter threads generally are going to be more widely read and interacted with than if the same content were pushed to a blog.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #232

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They're not all accusations. One of the tweets is about Chrome forcing logins to Google products (and vice versa), which has officially been a thing for like 5 years, at least. This anti-feature is very well known and is why many of us switched to Firefox.

> Many of us What is this us?

The average HN user is more likely to use Firefox and have 2+ Google accounts than the average person. Very straightforward stuff.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

Only a journalist who is worried about the possibility of being sued for defamation really needs to consider using alleged in reporting. The truth is an absolute defense to defamation. If you are confident in your reporting, and especially if you have good lawyers, then you don't need to hedge. (Source: was a lawyer who used to do some of this work at one time in my life) Edit: If you are just reporting second-hand o…

It doesn't matter how strongly you believe in your work.

The law (at least in the United States) is "innocent until proven guilty". Until it goes to court, they are presummed innocent.

The phrase "alleged" is put in to all reputable journalists work because they follow the law.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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So, they (juries, sanators, others busy with wrong things peoples) will finlly do something or we can just discuss it for next 8-9 years and on 10 + 1 day all goes to history ?

My guess: this wends through the system long enough that the details end up getting forgotten and confused in the retelling, finally ending in some trivial (relative to these companies' profits) being issued, and the public forgets about it in another year or two.

In other words, this is likely to be the Experian data breach all over again. You remember, right? When the credit files of virtually every working adult in America got released and... nothing happened?

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