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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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It takes two things for programs like "Jedi Blue" to happen. First, you need sociopaths in leadership positions who champion this 'great idea' they've figured out. These people often rise up in large companies because they are willing to do this sort of thing without any remorse. But second, you need developers to build it. A large number of them, usually, for a big project like this. Dozens of people like us knew th…

You are assuming that developers really know the implications of what they're doing. The reality is that, apart from a few that made the effort to understand the whole situation, most are kept on the dark about the real implications of each piece they're building. That's the "genius" of modern management, and why they want to make each software engineer a little cog in their machine.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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The big tech companies (and more) act as a cartel, doing things for each other to kick out smaller rivals or just censor and deplatform people and groups they don't like. This is just evidence that it's more than wink-and-nod deals, which I think most of us suspected anyway. Social media, search, payment processors, hosting sites... they all work in lockstep for the benefit of the cartel. We lose privacy, opportunity…

Google and Facebook are the biggest threat to democracy by the influence they have. I think such influence should be regulated and controlled.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Don't try to use political division to redirect people's anger at each other. I'm to the point where I'm deeply suspicious of the motives of anyone who deploys a novel way to recast an issue as partisan. I hope others are equally suspicious.

No, I just want to make sure what am I looking at.

You live in an uncertain universe. This "sure" thing you want is already you grasping for a lie.

You don't need to believe anything. You can learn to reason about things with uncertainty. There's even logics to help with it.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Maybe Google’s researchers are kept out of the loop.

Well I imagine so. But it still means google management decided to fund (relatively expensive) top notch research just to act as a front for their criminal operation.

They have hundreds of billions of dollars of ad money coming in. A research lab and even a dozen PHDs is like you or me tossing pennies.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #74

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Frankly, I'm not sure about the current state of things, seeing as it likely has changed several times in the past few years. However, a) I'm not sure why Goog would want to bother with browser accounts otherwise, and b) my use of Chrome ceased soonish after I had the following experience in the early 2010s: - set up a new empty site, listed absolutely nowhere, on quite dedicated hosting. - open it in Chrome. - a cou…

This could also be via dns records if you published some they would get scanned

Also, doesnt chrome hijack DNS to point to googles DNS servers?

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Does anyone else wonder if Page and Brin feel any pangs of guilt over how their company went from "Don't be evil" to such corrupt practises? It really is a classic case study in the journey from apparent idealism to a complete moral vacuum.

With about $100b net worth each, I’m going to guess they feel just fine.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

I tell everyone about Firefox and uBlock Origin. Blocking YouTube ads is enough of an argument to convince anyone to at least try it out. I've never seen someone who didn't love the ad-free web experience. It's actually safe to just install this software on random computers: people's quality of life will be invisibly yet thoroughly improved, they will notice that things are just better even if they can't explain why.…

that is way obsolete by now. you need to be using Brave with ublock origin, this dns service https://github.com/Ultimate-Hosts-Blacklist/Ultimate.Hosts.B... ClearURL's, HTTPS Everywhere, and Random User Agent. I also use whoogle for a local privacy enhancing filter of google data with all ad elements stripped out (and that is if I even use google I usually use ddg).

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

This kind of rhetoric is problematically naive. Advertising effectiveness is often vague, but it also works well in many circumstances. It takes a certain kind of hubris to suggest that all these companies spending $500B on advertising have no idea what they are doing, and that if only they listened to HN/Reddit they could save so much money and make the world a better place. The issue here is to what extent G has ma…

>It takes a certain kind of hubris to suggest that all these companies spending $500B on advertising have no idea what they are doing

And yet they don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28724806

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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I sometimes wonder, what if there was a universal governing principle, that was simple to enforce, obvious, formulated in few words, so that everyone understands it. All those priveleges which every of theese corporations enjoy, some simple, like not publishing schematic for 1000$+ device, some complex, like making backroom deals harming millions of people in a some insignificant and obscure way daily, like showing c…

A world of B-corps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

Unfortunately, just like with non-profits, these designations just end up being gamed.

You can't rule out evil because evil thwarts rules. Sometimes evil even makes rules to rule out good. It's a nice thought though.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #72

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Doesn't chrome have browsing history sync?

Uh uh! While I'm obviously no fan of Google and Chrome, afaik the synced data is encrypted, or at least Goog says so. I.e. it's used just for syncing. Can't remember, though, if it's always encrypted, or just optionally encrypted.

Optionally encrypted, if you provide your own sync passphrase.
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