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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by bialpio » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:24 AM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #525

bialpio wrote: post #523

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My point is that he stopped being a scientist the moment he stopped using scientific method, it just took a while for the rest of the world to realize that.

Ah, so they're only a researcher as long as you want them to be? My point stands, attacking a researcher is not inherently anti-scientific, and attacking their research is... well, it's good science.

No, they are not being researchers the moment they stopped doing research (e.g. by manipulating the results). They can call themselves however they want, until someone calls out their BS. There's a reason why we want to see the methodology used and that the results are reproduced. Questioning a scientist is not an attack, you're actually doing them a favor (I'd like to be told if I'm wrong).

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by zepto » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:31 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #528

zepto wrote: post #497

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Why is this question relevant? Anti-science views are anti-science regardless of the short term mortality rate you can attach to them or who is propagating them.

Sure does seem like you don’t have any examples to back up the assertion that democrats are equally anti-intellectual. If you make that assertion, you can’t be upset when people ask for examples or evidence. It’s extremely relevant to the (as of yet) unsupported argument you made.

Nobody is upset, nobody asked for evidence, and nobody claimed anyone was ‘equally’ anti-intellectual.

It really doesn’t seem clear what you think you are responding to.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dane-pgp » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #531

dane-pgp wrote: post #522

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One consistent stance on bodily autonomy would be that vaccinations should be mandatory, and so should abortions. I hope no one is seriously advocating for that position, so obviously the issue of "consistency" is more complicated. An adult is able to weigh for themselves the risks and benefits of receiving a vaccine. A child is not able to weigh those risks and benefits, and it reasonable in general to have that dec…

Let me know when someone wakes up after being drugged at a frat party and is pregnant with a vaccination, that they need to care for, financially and emotionally, for the rest of their life. Especially if that vaccine told the person they loved them, and it'd feel better if they used bare mRNA instead of a vector.

I know someone whose elderly relative with dementia was given a covid vaccination despite the family's expressed wishes for that to not happen. That relative now has antibodies and possibly complications that may affect them for the rest of their life. (I admit, though, that the likely medical outcome for them is a positive one, compared to not being vaccinated).

Conversely, if someone becomes pregnant they can put the child up for adoption, and the state should make the father pay for that child's needs for the rest of their life. If the father knew that the mother was under the influence of drugs, he should also spend a large portion of his life in prison learning to care about other people.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dane-pgp » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 8:17 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #527

dane-pgp wrote: post #524

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What's funny about the fact that there was a numerical encoding system for names/words in the first century AD? It's kinda cool, actually. Also, the "mark of the beast" isn't the hash, it's a physical mark that contains "the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

The number of its name is generated similar to a hash. And it existed outside of and before the beast reference as a cultural trend. It’s seen multiple times in ancient writing. It’s funny because it’s a reference to a common way to encode/obscure the name of someone, not literally a mark on the most evil person spawned from hell, and with all we know today people still believe it’s a physical mark that will identify…

I agree that the number is generated like a hash, and that this "hashing algorithm" existed before Revelation was written. I don't think anyone disputes that.

The context, though, is: "[The second beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark". That sounds like a literal mark to me, not just a hash function.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by codezero » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #553

codezero wrote: post #531

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Let me know when someone wakes up after being drugged at a frat party and is pregnant with a vaccination, that they need to care for, financially and emotionally, for the rest of their life. Especially if that vaccine told the person they loved them, and it'd feel better if they used bare mRNA instead of a vector.

I know someone whose elderly relative with dementia was given a covid vaccination despite the family's expressed wishes for that to not happen. That relative now has antibodies and possibly complications that may affect them for the rest of their life. (I admit, though, that the likely medical outcome for them is a positive one, compared to not being vaccinated). Conversely, if someone becomes pregnant they can put t…

It’s not the elderly with dementia that are out spreading COVID by refusing a vaccine, they’re the ones who are just dying within a few weeks. I’m sad for all the elderly especially those in communal living spaces who have limited mobility and control over their socialization, protective equipment, or schedule. Agree with your point, that their options seem to die sooner without the vaccine than with it. That’s a sad state.

As for the pregnancy idea, sure, in a perfect place with great social support, little stigmatizing of sex & adoption, and a legal system that can impose on the father (from flight or responsibility). I don’t see that anywhere, so how would we get there?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by codezero » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:35 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #554

codezero wrote: post #527

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The number of its name is generated similar to a hash. And it existed outside of and before the beast reference as a cultural trend. It’s seen multiple times in ancient writing. It’s funny because it’s a reference to a common way to encode/obscure the name of someone, not literally a mark on the most evil person spawned from hell, and with all we know today people still believe it’s a physical mark that will identify…

I agree that the number is generated like a hash, and that this "hashing algorithm" existed before Revelation was written. I don't think anyone disputes that. The context, though, is: "[The second beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark". That sounds like a literal mark to me…

Yeah I think we are agreeing. I’m just saying it’s a funny interpretation that Revelations took of that technique to make it physical and believing that interpretation when there is prior art is also funny.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by resoluteteeth » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 3:01 AM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #441

andrewflnr wrote: post #386

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Interesting interpretation. However, what the reporter did is pretty analogous to finding a classified document on the ground, looking at the first couple pages to see if they were legit, then informing the correct authorities before writing a news story. Which is still something you want to encourage, and is insane to prosecute.

I was sort of under the impression that in the story the reporter wrote about how to access the SSNs, which is a bit more than just flipping through the pages, and in the security-by-decree point of view that might be prosecutable.

Only after waiting for them to fix it

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 3:38 PM UTC

xapata wrote: post #550

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> Let's start with the hypothetical that a pregnant woman is expected to die unless her fetus is aborted... Who would you choose to murder? First, how ever cruel and wrong doing so may be, letting nature take its course isn't murder - it's something else altogether (sometimes morally defensible, sometimes not). Second, your hypothetical situation is a well-covered case in situational ethics -- "whose life to save whe…

> First, how ever cruel and wrong doing so may be, letting nature take its course isn't murder We disagree on the definition of murder. I suppose the law might call it negligent homicide. That sounds like a type of murder. > biology is pretty clear on when an organism is alive or not. It is not clear at all. Are viruses alive, for example? A human body is comprised of a variety of things that might be considered indi…

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dane-pgp » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 7:22 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #556

dane-pgp wrote: post #554

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I agree that the number is generated like a hash, and that this "hashing algorithm" existed before Revelation was written. I don't think anyone disputes that. The context, though, is: "[The second beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark". That sounds like a literal mark to me…

Yeah I think we are agreeing. I’m just saying it’s a funny interpretation that Revelations took of that technique to make it physical and believing that interpretation when there is prior art is also funny.

I believe there was also prior art for slave owners branding or tattooing slaves with their initials[0], so it is quite logical for the Book of Revelation to describe a Beast doing this to people who were enslaved to it.

Using a numeric hash of the name instead of the text form also makes sense, just like the way TLS certificates use hashes of the domain name (and other details).

I guess I just don't see the funny side because what is described in Revelation is reminiscent of both terrible abuses of the past and modern day infringements of rights.

[0] https://imperiumromanum.pl/en/article/tattoos-in-roman-world...

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dane-pgp » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #555

dane-pgp wrote: post #553

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I know someone whose elderly relative with dementia was given a covid vaccination despite the family's expressed wishes for that to not happen. That relative now has antibodies and possibly complications that may affect them for the rest of their life. (I admit, though, that the likely medical outcome for them is a positive one, compared to not being vaccinated). Conversely, if someone becomes pregnant they can put t…

It’s not the elderly with dementia that are out spreading COVID by refusing a vaccine, they’re the ones who are just dying within a few weeks. I’m sad for all the elderly especially those in communal living spaces who have limited mobility and control over their socialization, protective equipment, or schedule. Agree with your point, that their options seem to die sooner without the vaccine than with it. That’s a sad…

I'm not sure what examples you'd give of "stigmatizing of sex" and how lowering that stigma would result in fewer unwanted pregnancies, but as for "how would we get there?" you'll no doubt be reassured to notice that most states in the US are closer to achieving proper support for adoption than they are to outlawing abortion. The fact that people can (in principle) travel across state lines for both adoption and abortion is probably also reassuring to you.