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Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Exactly. See, for example, the separate body-autonomy stances of abortions and vaccinations.

One consistent stance on bodily autonomy would be that vaccinations should be mandatory, and so should abortions. I hope no one is seriously advocating for that position, so obviously the issue of "consistency" is more complicated. An adult is able to weigh for themselves the risks and benefits of receiving a vaccine. A child is not able to weigh those risks and benefits, and it reasonable in general to have that dec…

Let me know when someone wakes up after being drugged at a frat party and is pregnant with a vaccination, that they need to care for, financially and emotionally, for the rest of their life. Especially if that vaccine told the person they loved them, and it'd feel better if they used bare mRNA instead of a vector.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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The problem is that the true moral values held don't appear often enough in political speech. I and almost all of my friends and family hold that "humans are created in the image of God, and thus their inalienable rights begin at conception. Therefore abortion at any stage is committing murder against the baby." Not exactly context-dependent, unless I'm missing something. Perhaps you could elaborate?

Let's start with the hypothetical that a pregnant woman is expected to die unless her fetus is aborted. In this rare, but frequent enough situation, society must choose between murdering the fetus through action and murdering the mother through inaction. Who would you choose to murder? Abortion isn't the only topic that people make a "moral" stance about, and in some ways it's the least interesting. It hinges on an a…

> Let's start with the hypothetical that a pregnant woman is expected to die unless her fetus is aborted... Who would you choose to murder?

First, how ever cruel and wrong doing so may be, letting nature take its course isn't murder - it's something else altogether (sometimes morally defensible, sometimes not).

Second, your hypothetical situation is a well-covered case in situational ethics -- "whose life to save when not all can be saved". I know in this case many Catholic hospitals would save the baby and let the woman die -- so they can baptize the baby and save its soul (so they believe... correct me if I'm wrong). I disagree.

In my ethical framework, the woman's life is the one worth saving. Between the two of them, it will be more devastating/hurtful overall for her to die than the baby... not to mention devastation/hurt to those who love her. Therefore it is more loving to save her. And if the baby dies, I believe he/she goes to heaven (that's not justification for infanticide or abortion, just that based on scripture, I don't agree with the Catholic belief that the baby has to be delivered and baptized for him/her to receive salvation).

> It hinges on an arbitrary "It's alive!" moment that's not really debatable, so much as a gut feeling.

... except that science has pretty much established when a new organism begins for every other species. It's well known. People just don't want to accept the moral ramifications for human babies.

Consider someone on a ventilator who is otherwise a vegetable -- yes they're alive, and stabbing them would be murder. However, it's not necessarily murder to let nature take its course -- to let them die by unplugging the machine that's keeping them artificially alive.

I think it's your ethics (or perhaps your gut feeling, as you put it) that doesn't allow for a binary "alive or dead" state. But biology is pretty clear on when an organism is alive or not.

Yes there are edge cases when tissue lines are kept alive for years, or organ transplants are done... but no one disagrees about how alive or dead someone is in those cases. The point is whether a human fetus is an alive person - that's where the rubber hits the road ethically. And biologically there's certainly no question in that case. He/she is a human and he/she is alive -- that's the moral starting point. Anyone who says otherwise is equivocating to avoid the moral ramifications.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Colbert's joke was based on a comment from a Bush staffer concerning the "reality-based community" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community ): The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he con…

The other commenter is correct that Colbert coined the term. It's true that there was a lot of talk in that era about who did or didn't adhere to "reality" and how that related to partisanship, and a segment of the blogosphere that described themselves as the "reality based community," in reponse to that Rove quote, but none of that background context has anything to do with anything when it comes to the fact that th…

Being extremely concerned over the precise origin of one particular phrasing of the joke rather than its context and influences is hilariously on-point for the 'reality-based community.' Judicious!

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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There's a lot of comments along the lines of "How could the governor be this dumb?" or "Does he seriously expect this to succeed in court?" I recall an interview with Kevin Mitnick where he talked about a prosecutor arguing in court that he could start a nuclear war with a payphone (or something like that???). Kevin just sat there, listening to the prosecutor, thinking to himself that no judge could be so stupid as t…

In case Kevin is reading this, you still owe me $500

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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The US is so completely and utterly fucked I think it's beyond redemption at this point.

The South is a crazy place.

So is the south of France. My cousin moved to Paris because his kids were going to school with Marine Le Pen supporters

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I look forward to the ACLU handing him his ass. Does he care though? It is all about outrage, diverting attention from actual issues, hogging TV time. We are talking about it, Twitter is talking about it... Mission accomplished for him, no?

Maybe? He's looking stupid for at least some part of the state population, so it's costing him some amount of votes. And losing in court would be another round of that.

I'm afraid he's looking stupid to the people that would never vote for him. Ditto for losing in court; the voters he's courting don't trust the courts because they didn't support Trump's election bs

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I don't see this mentioned anywhere but the HTML page the journalist visited is public so there's no CFAA/DMCA violation there. Once the HTML page (data) is cached by the journalist's browser, they're free to do anything they want with the data. The journalist ran "his hacker tools" against his own computer which is also not a crime. Like others, I'm sad to see such a technically illiterate response when there should…

Take a look at the hiQ / LinkedIn case

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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>On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem There are a hell of a lot of computer scientists and engineers who vote republican, certainty not a majority but definitely a large enough minority you can't discount them. They just don't broadcast it for reasons that should be obvious to anyone reading these comments.

At this point, voting for Republican candidates means supporting an institution that has given up on Democratic norms and is clearly aiming at an authoritarian takeover of the government of the United States. Up until about 5 years ago I would agree that being even-handed on political matters is appropriate. But when one political party has gone completely mad with lust for power and has given up on science and ratio…

And yes, I know this thread skirts the HN guidelines. I certainly don't want this to become another Cesspool of partisan flame Wars.

There needs to be another Forum that somewhere between Hacker News and reddit, moderated but with a relatively open set of subjects that include the impact technology has on society

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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This is called “whataboutism”.

All these "your side/my side" sideism stuff is going to destroy everything. No one can have any nuanced opinion without all of their individuality being discarded and all weight being given to the party they vote for. It seems to me that the party they vote for is just an ephemeral label and really doesn't suffice in extrapolating much. We should stop contextualizing all conversations on the political affiliation of…

I'll take your snowflake of nuanced positions on every issue, and bet on tribalism and dumbed-down sound bytes to win every time

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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This is called “whataboutism”.

> Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this? And now we’ve come full circle. Using “whataboutism” to avoid conversations about topics is a problem. Whether you’re using it to deflect to a different topic or using it as an excuse to avoid talking about a topi…

Yes, I was very impressed by the nuance exhibited through in-person communication on January 6th
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