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Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by nbzso »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #85
nbzso wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me. How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none. That's was the point of my comment. You are a sitting ducks and the rational thing is to educate yourselves, but emotions are a default response. As always. >You know that only an infinitesimal part of the population will ever be able to afford…

It's crazy how deeply insecure capitalists are about capitalism. Now some people riding a bike together are a sign of a rising communist regime. > How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. I wish I could live in a communist society, obviously not in a regime. But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under…

>But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under capitalism and exploitation, I've seen the good and the bad and I hate it with every fiber of my being.

I understand, that is why in my view the solution is to investigate and demand justice, lower the rate of corruption and lobbing and require more free market capitalism and less monopolistic and politically motivated practices.

>Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation.

This is never the real result. There were privileged "party" members which ruled in the shadows without any form of impunity, lived like modern bourgeois class while the masses consumed low grade products and followed collective constraints.

The Davos plan for the future of the world is exactly the same in its core.

You will live in "socially" acceptable constrains, with UBI (which will require total loss of privacy and some other nasty stuff), with no freedom of movement (due never ending pandemic or terrorists threats), with no ownership of transportation (due the high cost of electric vehicles or high petrol prices), no ability to grow and produce food (due to monopolistic companies which will be able to afford the regulatory "Green" tax), etc. So you will own nothing and will be happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64

Everything while billionaire elites will live like gods in comfort, protected by the laws and mass surveillance apparatus.

This is the love child of communistic criminals of the past and western billionaires families which are investing billions in manufacturing consent trough technology and media psyops.

And it always starts with: Good intention, The Children, etc.

Everything that I shared about the communistic implementation can be fact-checked.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by yokaze »

mastax wrote: post #27
yokaze wrote: post #12

If you read this, or other things about reducing car traffic in Barcelona, one should keep the following in mind: https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/lafabricadelsol/en/noticia/... 6000cars/km² in Barcelona. San Francisco/Oakland metropolitan area has 4000/sq mi... 1540/km² Guttenberg, NJ has the highest in the US with 20,600/sq mi (8000/km²) Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.planetizen.com/node/45622%3...

Barcelona has a population density of 16,000/km², while the city of San Francisco has a density of 2,419/km².

Paris has a population density of 20000/km², and Manhattan of 28,872/km².

Population density is correlated with car density up to a certain point.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by [deleted] »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #85
nbzso wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me. How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none. That's was the point of my comment. You are a sitting ducks and the rational thing is to educate yourselves, but emotions are a default response. As always. >You know that only an infinitesimal part of the population will ever be able to afford…

It's crazy how deeply insecure capitalists are about capitalism. Now some people riding a bike together are a sign of a rising communist regime. > How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. I wish I could live in a communist society, obviously not in a regime. But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under…

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Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by collegeburner »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #59
throwawaysea wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have spent a lot of time in Barcelona, and love the city, although I’ve only had short stays (~weeks) and haven’t resided there in the traditional sense. I think increasing car hostility makes it less hospitable and accessible to many people away from the core. There’s also a tradeoff which isn’t being acknowledged here. A city that manages its density appropriately will have faster travel times via cars compared t…

Are you suggesting Seattle has a better commute situation than Barcelona? Respectfully, that's insane. Moreover, large parts of the city were designed prior to motorized vehicles and encourage frequent mode mixing. High speed is simply not on the table for discussion. The choice is between low speed, low density car traffic, or mixed mode. The latter is clearly much better for neighborhoods and the city as a whole.

If there is no high speed how are people supposed to get in from out of the city in some timely fashion? You say better for neighborhoods and the city without considering all the outer neighborhoods that often house more people than the inner ones.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by c0llision »

nbzso wrote: post #76

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Lmao, so people wanting children to be able to cycle safely to school is communism?

>The risk of biking injuries is always present

Lol. Because nobody was ever injured in a car before. What do you think are the major source of cycling injuries? It's collisions with motor vehicles. You fall off your bike and you'll probably scrape a knee. You get hit by a truck and it's near certain death. Cycling is NOT a dangerous activity, it is a benign activity done in a dangerous environment. Obvious example of Netherlands, where biking is number 1 method of transport, and nobody wears a helmet, yet they have one of the lowest rates of injury, thanks to the fact they have great cycling infrastructure which separates vulnerable road users from vehicles.

>Cars are not the enemy

Maybe some people think they are, but of course that is not the case. But that does not mean that cars must be used for every trip that we do. We can recognize that certain means of transport are better suited to certain journeys. If you are traveling very long distances then it makes sense to fly or take a boat. Likewise if you are traveling short distances it makes sense to walk or cycle. What people want is the freedom to choose their own means of transport. They want to be able to choose if they want to walk, cycle, take public transport or drive and they want to use whatever method is most convenient for them for whatever journey they are doing. They do not want the government to invest all transport funds solely into roads for cars and design cities around cars making their use essentially mandatory. I'm sure the car lobby is happy that many countries decided to do this in the 70's and that the decision to do that had nothing to do with influence from them, but now people are starting to see that the government has essentially made cars mandatory and their freedom has been taken from them. Of course cars are not the enemy and they are never going to go away, there will always be journeys where cars makes the most sense from a cost, convenience and time perspective, and there will always be people who just like driving.

>Porsche's synthetic fuel will reduce CO2 from cars dramatically

People often focus on the cO2 emissions from cars when driving, but that is actually not the worst part. In fact, it is actually much better to keep driving your old petrol car for as long as possible instead of switching to a brand new electric/low emissions car, because there are significant cO2 emissions released from building a new car. Then there is the cO2 emissions from building roads. Building just 2 meters of road has the same emissions as building a brand new car.

>Claus Schwab

Not surprised to hear you mention this name, or Santa Claus as I like to call him. The new favorite go-to for conspiracy nuts nowadays.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by GekkePrutser »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #53
GekkePrutser wrote: post #13

I live there too, and traffic here is pretty busy. Personally I don't really understand why so many people drive. Because public transport here is extremely efficient and cheap. I don't even own a car here and I'm really happy to no longer need one. But if I had kids I wouldn't really let them participate. Even with the police escort, they might lose the group and be on their own in this busy city. I'm from near Amst…

> But if I had kids I wouldn't really let them participate. Even with the police escort, they might lose the group and be on their own in this busy city. At what age would you be comfortable with them biking on their own?

No idea.. I have no kids :) Not sure at what age they are capable of what. Of course I was also young but like I said in the Netherlands bikes are king of the road. And I lived in a quiet suburb.

It also depends on the area. If they'd just cycle to school in a quiet area it'd be ok more easily than if they have to cross roads like Passeig de Gracia, Arago or Gran Via, or some of the busier Rondas of course.

I rarely cycle here anyway. I mainly walk, I don't feel safe enough cycling. There's some cycle lanes but not in every street, and often not well connected, or they suddenly jump to another side (the ones on Diagonal tend to do this), mix with pedestrians etc.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Darmody wrote: post #68
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #38

I used to live in Barcelona, the infrastructure is definitely anti car in every aspect, it's desired to be. For such a large city, the car traffic is minimal, there are not enough parking opportunities, especially at the beach. There would be space, but the government knows better, if you have ever been in a tourist destination in Spain during peak season you will know that there is no way to accommodate all the cars…

It has a good public transport system, yes, but ironically it's the only city where I felt kind of insecure in the subway. Always making sure nobody is going to pickpocket me or I don't look the wrong way at some guy looking for trouble. A friend of mine works there as security and after all the stories he told me I rather get in a car and deal with the traffic. And I'm saying this as someone who uses the subway to c…

For what it's worth the subway is very safe in terms of violent crime. But pickpockets are a scourge yes. The problem is the police can only give them a fine if they steal less than 400 euro in value (see more info about that here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/14/woman-defends-... ). Even if it's their 5000th time. There's gangs of professional pickpockets.

They got me once and I've busted them trying a couple of times. Whenever you grab them they always just drop the phone or wallet and walk off, they never fight. But I did notice they always work in groups so they probably do attack if you get violent yourself.

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by creato »

frereubu wrote: post #40

I had an idea similar to this, based on my experience of Critical Mass cycle rides in London: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling) It was called "Cycle Pods", which would be mini-critical mass rides for commuters. You'd probably need between five and ten riders who cycle the same route each day at a roughly similar pace, so you could register with a route and see whose rides were similar to yours. Th…

> There's something about cyclists taking over the road that really provokes some drivers.

Every critical mass ride I've ever seen blatantly ignores traffic laws, particularly running red lights. I say this as an avid cyclist and bike commuter: drivers are right to be pissed at them (but not to do something dangerous).

Re: Something special is happening in Barcelona

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Post by [deleted] »

namesbc wrote: post #72
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is a sidewalk and cycling path, then in most countries, the road is very specifically for motor vehicles.

100% wrong. Roads are for everyone. Just because you are in a vehicle you can use as a weapon shouldn't allow you to threaten other road users out of their road. Just wait patiently and drive at the speed of traffic.

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