.NET Hot Reload Support via CLI

Post by lambda_dn » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 12:08 AM UTC

fabian2k wrote: post #25

This feels more like an internal turf war inside Microsoft. The general open source strategy with .NET Core and VS Code has been running long enough that I don't think it's just a smoke screen. But there's probably plenty of different interests inside Microsoft that are at least partially in conflict. The Azure side probably doesn't care about selling Visual Studio, but they care about developer mindshare and reputat…

Post by tomnipotent » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #58

johnfn wrote: post #53

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> Why say you love open-source if you keep the juicy bits of Visual Studio Code closed-source? More like you love open-source... for making money. I really dislike this mindset. Sure, it's disappointing that some pieces of VSCode aren't open-sourced, but man, they open-sourced an entire IDE and plugin ecosystem. That's such a fantastic contribution to the open source community, and yet I see comments like yours that…

They didn't make VSCode altruistically, they did it to kill a raft of competing text editors that were on the rise. Atom, Sublime Text, etc etc. I think you call it commoditize your complements.

Post by skohan » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 12:14 AM UTC

lambda_dn wrote: post #79

Microsoft are a lost company. They fumbled the cell phone era They half heartedly entered the hardware business with poor results. They have a few golden gooses that could be disrupted at any time (Windows, Office). The biggest asset is dotnet and if they fumble that they will go down hard.

Post by skohan » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 12:16 AM UTC

whoisthemachine wrote: post #84

M2Ys4U wrote: post #63

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The Verge has an article about this.[0] >The Verge understands that the decision to remove the functionality from .NET 6 was made by Julia Liuson, the head of Microsoft’s developer division. Sources describe the move as a business-led decision, and it’s clear the company thought it would fly under the radar and not generate a backlash. Engineers at Microsoft that have worked on .NET for years with the open source com…

While I'm sure the business drove the decision, some developer had to make the pull request, no? What I wonder is whether a "lose your job if you don't do as I wish" gun was stuck to a developer's head, or did they find the right developer with the right permissions to push this change through in spite of resistance? The former option gives me shudders, while the latter saddens me. EDIT: grammar

Post by nodejs_rulez_1 » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 12:18 AM UTC

moogly wrote: post #48

creato wrote: post #46

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Has anything ever actually replaced VS? I've only ever used VS for hobby/side projects, and even 10 years ago it was leaps and bounds better than what I have to use for my professional day to day work now (code completion, debugger are the two things that I miss basically every day). The tools that I use now have these features, but they're such a joke in comparison. The code completion has no notion of "code", it's…

For many workloads (at least .NET), JetBrains Rider. For C/C++ on Windows, well, you have VS Code and also JetBrains CLion, but IMO CLion is surprisingly rougher than Rider, even though it's older. You can get stuff done though.