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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Let's be real. Social media doesn't have a choice. They are pre-empting orders for the government or they have already received them. There's a direct line from the white house to social media platforms. Youtube and Google is a business after-all. And the federal government could make it very hard for them to continue From a press conference from July 15 2021 > Q Thanks, Jen. Can you talk a little bit more about this…

Since the government is leaning on them to do it, this is clearly a Constitutional right to free speech issue.

To be clear, I don't know about this case in particular, but the current administration has admitted to be in direct contact with social media platforms to tag "problematic" posts. And they may not even need to because the implicit threat is there.

I used to be part of the "its a private platform" group, but I asked myself the question, what would actual government censorship look like. And I couldn't think of an answer that would make what we have today not censorship.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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YouTube has a very clear policy that only one opinion on COVID-19 is allowed on their platform. They are enforcing that policy.

And govt. totally didn't push for that exceptional "policy", it arose from the first principles of free market competition. Any apparent similarity to moderation on Weibo, TikTok or Bilibili is purely coincidental.

Sure, why not? Would it be suspicious if you and your neighbor both shared the same local doctor and got similar medical advice?

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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That seems to be a really common thing! It's incredibly frustrating when reading some articles about someone being cancelled or the like.

It's a speciality of Fox News. It promotes the outrage well when you leave out the actually objectionable part. Others do it as well of course.

Fox News was a pioneer in this technique and unfortunately CNN and MSNBC have followed suit.

In the early 2000s I was always astonished by how utterly misinformed Fox News viewers were. In 2021 I am always astonished by how utterly misinformed MSNBC CNN and Fox News viewers are. On certain subjects like the statistical risk of a 35-year-old healthy person getting hospitalized for covid, Fox News viewers are actually the best informed. They still overestimate the risk but not by orders of magnitude that the other two sets of viewers succumb to. My father is a rabid MSNBC and CNN viewer, and like many of your typical resistance boomers is grossly ignorant about most things happening in the world. In December he was ranting to me about how the US could have had zero covid if someone else had been president. While I agreed with him that it had been mishandled I tried to explain to him that there wasn't any countries able to keep it out except for very isolated island nations. He was completely ignorant of this. He also freaked out when I contracted covid in February before I could give vaxxed. I was trying to explain to him that I'm very fit and healthy and relatively young but he really thought I was going to have to get hospitalized. This is when I started learning about the statistics on actual hospitalizations versus what the public thought. One difference between these groups of people who watch these utterly stupid channels is that Fox News viewers are pretty aware that they watch biased news. They weren't in the early 2000s though. MSNBC and CNN viewers think they're witnessing objective reporting in general. My father is always quick to say that he reads articles from the AP as if they are objective. They are absolutely not objective anymore. Ideological capture is a thing. And it was purely ideological when the AP told their reporters to call what was obviously rioting "mostly peaceful protests". The aftermath of that absurd line of thinking was me witnessing many family members who were right of center to completely lose any and all faith in journalistic institutions. It was a watershed moment in media becoming untrusted by most of the working class.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Lyrics: [Intro: Joe Biden & Bryson Gray] The various shots the people are getting now cover that They're-, they're-, they're okay You're not gonna-, you're not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations Somebody gotta do it Ayy [Chorus: Bryson Gray] Let's go, Brandon I keep a drum like I'm Nick Cannon, ayy, ayy, ayy, ayy (Brrt, brrt) Let's go, Brandon Pandemic ain't real, they just planned it, ayy, ayy (They just…

> Pandemic ain't real, they just planned it

Sounds like medical misinformation to me.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Something is wrong when the king needs to censor the jester.

You can't properly understand something if you can't question it. When you elevate any idea to unquestionable capital-T Truth, you blind yourself to the actual truth. You break the only mechanism we've ever discovered for figuring out how the world actually works. Censorship of anything is the enemy of human progress and always has been.

I can agree with you, but the issue is that this isn't an academic discussion on the merits of thorough vaccine trials. Here's the third verse:

"Let’s go, Brandon, we know he cappin’ Patriots out in the street takin’ action Huntin’ us down for speakin’ the truth (Huh) Beat down the PEDO, let’s save all the youth (Uh huh) Media lyin’, ignore all the cryin’ They buildin’ back better, but only the Taliban (What?) Pilots on strike, but to Joe, it’s irrelevant Open the border, lose all the order Divide us up so they know what we never win But we united, we here in the stadiums (Let’s go) Everyone chantin’ it, CNN slanderin’ (Let’s go) Biden collaspin’ and Democrats stealin’ it (Facts) Ayy, we look at Joe, can we get a refund? (Brandon) How ‘bout some mean tweets? (Facts) Joe is a crook, and he knows how to decieve F.J.B. is the motto in these streets, let’s go, Brandon sing it with me"

I see a lot of claims but no questions. This wasn't written to question, it was written to enforce ideas already held by the listener. I agree that the song shouldn't be censored, but I also think it doesn't have any right to be promoted or distributed by third parties. YouTube has as much of a right to take the song down as Sound Cloud has to leave it up, which is exactly equal to any venue that chooses to let him perform on stage.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Videos like this are only accessible in some countries if you provide YouTube with a government ID. In my country YouTube blocks a number of videos from public broadcasters this way.

Let me introduce a temporary workaround to you https://www.youtubeNSFW.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI

Those kinds of sites don't work. There are no operative workarounds as far as I know.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be real. Social media doesn't have a choice. They are pre-empting orders for the government or they have already received them. There's a direct line from the white house to social media platforms. Youtube and Google is a business after-all. And the federal government could make it very hard for them to continue From a press conference from July 15 2021 > Q Thanks, Jen. Can you talk a little bit more about this…

Since the government is leaning on them to do it, this is clearly a Constitutional right to free speech issue.

If the social media platforms in question are taking down posts on the recommendations (or demands, take your pick) of the White House's senior staff, then I think it's fair to say that they are State Actor's.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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"Biden said the jab stopped the spread, it was lies. How you WOKE but you haven’t opened your eyes?"

Are you implying that the lyric is wrong and the pandemic is over?

The lyrics don't say the vaccine would stop the pandemic, it says it would stop the spread, which it does. You are changing the wording to make it seem more reasonable than it is.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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post #136

Something is wrong when the king needs to censor the jester.

You can't properly understand something if you can't question it. When you elevate any idea to unquestionable capital-T Truth, you blind yourself to the actual truth. You break the only mechanism we've ever discovered for figuring out how the world actually works. Censorship of anything is the enemy of human progress and always has been.

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Not sure where you're getting your data but here's some data for you: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/... Over the past month, fully vaccinated individuals accounted for 29% of cases and 19% of hospitalizations (In British Columbia, Canada). We have ~75% of the population vaccinated. So 25% of the people account for 71% of the cases and the case rate amongst vaccinated is significantly low…

You're looking at presented cases and hospitalizations - a fraction of a fraction of total covid infections. There's no way this accurately reflects R0 (assuming that's what you're talking about - sorry if I'm wrong!). And determining the impact vaccines have on R0 is nearly impossible - there's too many unknown unknowns that would confound it. For example, if a flu vaccine was administered at the end of a seasonal p…

First let's deal with the nitpicky semantics. R0 is is the basic reproduction number while R generally denotes the effective reproduction number. I am talking about R.

There's indisputable evidence that the vaccination is impacting R. While it's true that the accuracy of estimates for R depends on many factors and certainly there have always been some cases flying under the radar (though that has been studied extensively via antibody studies and other means) proxies like the number of people dying, the number of people hospitalized, while controlling for things like vaccinations are accurate enough to detect this.

There are tons of studies, random e.g.: https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/9/10/1245/pdf

Trying to argue confounding factors vs. the observations is IMO very weak. Ofcourse we can't tell anything with certainty in this domain. It seems like the people who want proof here set the bar impossibly high, no proof will ever satisfy them.

EDIT: adding some more references...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01316-7

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccin...

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests...

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/ph...

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