YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by op00to » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

inside65 wrote: post #356

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #336

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I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected…

Any links I can read more about this?

No, because it’s not true.

You can however read the CDC report that shows vaccines are still hugely effective in preventing death.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e1.htm?s_cid=mm...

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by exporectomy » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

gzer0 wrote: post #360

yesbut wrote: post #357

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Less likely != prevent

They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.

Are you implying that the claim in the rap was factually correct and Youtube was wrong to classify it as misinformation?

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by DenverCoder99 » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

actually_a_dog wrote: post #338

DenverCoder99 wrote: post #319

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What would you say if Youtube did that to you?

That depends. Am I spreading misinformation?

Who's the authority on what's disinformation?

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by YZF » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:17 PM UTC

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #336

adrr wrote: post #310

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Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected…

Not sure where you're getting your data but here's some data for you: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/...

Over the past month, fully vaccinated individuals accounted for 29% of cases and 19% of hospitalizations (In British Columbia, Canada).

We have ~75% of the population vaccinated. So 25% of the people account for 71% of the cases and the case rate amongst vaccinated is significantly lower. What you really want to think about is what that says about the R number difference between those populations because our R is hovering around 1 so the vaccine is making a huge difference.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by quotemstr » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:18 PM UTC

pmurt7 wrote: post #136

Something is wrong when the king needs to censor the jester.

You can't properly understand something if you can't question it. When you elevate any idea to unquestionable capital-T Truth, you blind yourself to the actual truth. You break the only mechanism we've ever discovered for figuring out how the world actually works. Censorship of anything is the enemy of human progress and always has been.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by op00to » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:18 PM UTC

NullPrefix wrote: post #329

brewdad wrote: post #324

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Youtube could pivot to nothing but cat videos tomorrow and they would be perfectly in the right to do so.

And that would be perfectly fine, but only if Youtube's CEO stops giving speeches about free speech being a core value https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28683575

Wow, I didn’t know you were the arbiter of whether it’s acceptable or not for YouTube to do something. Very impressive.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by MiguelX413 » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:19 PM UTC

DenverCoder99 wrote: post #318

MiguelX413 wrote: post #220

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Thank god there's 20 alternatives to YouTube then. Daily reminder to use Peertube and that being able to reach people, centralization, and ad monetization are incompatible with freedom. Use Peertube, you can't have freedom and reach+monetization.

I've grown pessimistic about distributed networks and the Fediverse. The Pareto distribution is this neverending bastard of a phenomena that creeps up into everything we touch. If a distributed network ends up displacing Youtube, what's going to inevitably happen is one section of the network is going consume the vast majority of the viewership and content, and they're going to start repeating the same shit that Yout…

I'd like for it to be abolished completely but I recognize that's just not helpful or realistic tbh

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by sharklazer » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:19 PM UTC

fabianhjr wrote: post #203

pmurt7 wrote: post #136

Something is wrong when the king needs to censor the jester.

I don't understand the allegories to feudalism when jesters who crossed a line weren't censored but executed. (I would guess specially if they expressed or supported any sort of anti-monarchy or anti-their-monarchs viewpoints)

Actually, it was a chief job of the jester to cross the line when other members of the court could not. Jesters, as all court members, had a natural fear of execution, but probably not any higher than any of the other courtiers.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by exporectomy » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:20 PM UTC

hackflip wrote: post #349

exporectomy wrote: post #304

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Italy is at 80% and they still see the need to ban unvaccinated people from places. New Zealand is planning to ban unvaccinated people form places after we reach 90% of over-12-year-olds. So even with a massive 80% vaccinated, the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. Maybe it would at 90%? 95%? Who knows. In New Zealand, the unvaccinated are largely the indigenous Maori, not stereotypical anti-vaxxers.

The media really wants to paint the average antivaxxer as white rednecks, when white people are among the most heavily vaccinated demographics.

Yep. Same applies to shootings. I've recently changed my ethnicity in an effort to gain some of the special privileges that come with it.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by jeofken » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

adrr wrote: post #310

calsy wrote: post #239

In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

When I advertise to consumers, it is not important to me that they believe vaccination against COVID-19 is good or not.

I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? Maybe airlines and hotels.

Since I can’t see how any company would want to reject customers for making certain decisions about their health or not, it appears to me that it rather is forces within Google, Facebook, and Twitter that do not want any voice critical of their line to be shown. For this reason they (shadow)ban people expressing forbidden or politically incorrect worldviews.