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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by spenczar5 »

zzzeek wrote: post #78
spenczar5 wrote: post #41

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Why not? It sounds like you think this is obvious, but it isn’t to me. I live in an area with occasional grandfathered-in exceptions to zoning rules. There’s a cafe run out of a house, and a butcher shop run on a residential street corner between houses. And its absolutely lovely! I would have no problem with people making things (“a factory”) next to a school.

> I would have no problem with people making things (“a factory”) next to a school. yes you would, if it were a large plastics manufacturer bringing large amounts of truck traffic and noise pollution and spewing carcinogenic PCB compounds into local atmosphere.

Zoning is not the same as regulation. We shouldn’t be spewing carcinogenic PCBs anywhere.

Gigantic factories don’t want to be on small residential streets anyway because they cant fit the trucks in, so I think that argument cuts the other way - there are natural forces that deter that stuff.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by spothedog1 »

zzzeek wrote: post #89
spothedog1 wrote: post #19

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If someone built a gigantic apartment complex next to your house it would mean that the demand for housing in your neighborhood was massive and restricted by zoning. Your land value would skyrocket by allowing apartment buildings and you could take a huge pay day and move somewhere farther out from the city. You shouldn't get to halt US GDP growth in its tracks because you want to dictate what your neighbors do with…

> If someone built a gigantic apartment complex next to your house it would mean that the demand for housing in your neighborhood was massive or it could mean a developer was very stupid to overbuild somewhere, or more likely it's a shell building used as a money laundering scheme for organized crime (See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/17/trump-ocean-... for one such building built by Trump; such buildi…

If a developer is stupid to overbuild, then let them take that risk and that loss. We don't have to zone away risk. As for money laundering, you're using an example of one Trump Tower out of millions of apartments buildings to say it's "more likely" that every apartment building built is just used for money laundering. That's just silly.

As for structural safety, no one is arguing to reduce building codes or safety regulations so that's just a straw man argument. If an apartment building is built unsafe then the government should have done a better job inspecting and enforcing/expanding their regulations, it's not really an argument to not build.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by willyt »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #46
cracell wrote: post #34

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Just no. Zoning is extremely important. You should not be allowed to build a factory in the middle of a neighborhood next to a school. There are certainly bad zoning laws but to say they are all bad is just ignorant nonsense.

You don't need zoning laws for that. The UK doesn't have them, yet still has pretty stringent controls ("planning permission") on what you can build. Explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoning#United_Kingdom Each area - typically a district, which is a sub-unit of a county or city - has a "local plan" which is decided democratically by the local government. "The plan does not provide specific guidance on what…

The UK’s planning system is very slow, unpredictable and inefficient. It also is not great at preventing suburban sprawl either. Probably Spain, the Netherlands or Japan would be more interesting to look at.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by orhmeh09 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #20
csee wrote: post #17

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If the POTUS personally commits to resolving the issue, it is concerning that an outsider can literally sail through and identify a high leverage solution. Like what the hell is going on with our institutions. There might be an explanation but it looks really bad from the outside.

Do you know who Ryan Peterson is? He's not an "outsider", he is the CEO of a digital supply chain company. He's a "foremost expert", to be sure.

No, he isn’t an expert, and people in logistics consider him an outsider who is a CEO of a startup that makes software that is helpful for a certain set of concerns within supply chain management. Making software for an industry does not make you a foremost expert.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by zzzeek »

spenczar5 wrote: post #101
zzzeek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would have no problem with people making things (“a factory”) next to a school. yes you would, if it were a large plastics manufacturer bringing large amounts of truck traffic and noise pollution and spewing carcinogenic PCB compounds into local atmosphere.

Zoning is not the same as regulation. We shouldn’t be spewing carcinogenic PCBs anywhere . Gigantic factories don’t want to be on small residential streets anyway because they cant fit the trucks in, so I think that argument cuts the other way - there are natural forces that deter that stuff.

yet commercial zoning regulations exist for some reason. if "natural forces" prevent all negative outcomes, why do they exist ?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#107

Post by ajmurmann »

kevingadd wrote: post #67
krisoft wrote: post #64

Cool. Now we have more space to store the empty containers temporaly. Is this going to solve the problem or only save us a few days?

It doesn't fix anything, but it creates buffer space that can potentially be used to fix things that otherwise can't be fixed

Your comment seems to imply that you know what the underlying cause is that lead to this pile up in the first place. What is it?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by whymauri »

coredog64 wrote: post #66
destitude wrote: post #61

Why wasn't the federal government doing this? How hard would it have been for the new "shipping czar" to have gone down there and seen what at least one simple issue was and get it fixed?

One would think that a former McKinsey consultant would understand constraint theory.

Who does this refer to?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by zzzeek »

bcrl wrote: post #99
zzzeek wrote: post #78

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> I would have no problem with people making things (“a factory”) next to a school. yes you would, if it were a large plastics manufacturer bringing large amounts of truck traffic and noise pollution and spewing carcinogenic PCB compounds into local atmosphere.

Maybe companies shouldn't be allowed to spew toxic carcinogens into the atmosphere so that wouldn't matter?

how about a landfill. ever been to one? they smell quite awful. nothing illegal about them, and they would pretty much ruin a junior high school right next door.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by ConcernedCoder »

Roads, bridges, are already overwhelmed with traffic, and we have 1/2 of congress preventing federal spending on infrastructure -- this will be the next bottleneck... I keep hearing about a 60,000 trucker shortage, but with us "long haul" trucker count @ around 1/2 a million, that will only add another 10% capacity... from what I've seen traveling the USA on interstates, 10% more trucks would be INSANE overload... these same highways are saturated and this doesn't even address the countless construction zones on all of them... there's a whole lot more "problems" than containers IMHO
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