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Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by ibmoreira » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

I get the author's point of view. For people looking for a sense of purpose in their jobs, it should suck to feel like a useless cog.

It's funny because, in my current job (senior designer at a European unicorn) I check all the boxes the author is looking for in his new career:

- My routine covers talking to customers, designing the UI, doing alignment sessions with the C-Level, and many other things. I am as generalist as I could be; - I also see the direct impact of my work on the product.

For me, being less a specialist and having a direct impact on the product sucks. It's a lot of responsibility and quite often very stressful.

As someone who does it only for the paycheck at the end of the month, I would be happy to earn the same amount of money I make today as a useless cog of a larger company.

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by eatYourFood » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

TameAntelope wrote: post #76

eatYourFood wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take my salary down to 50k and everything remains true on that list except my holidays will be at cheap family resorts on the Mediterranean rather than in 5* hotels. That cannot be said for the average American: that may struggle with massive medical bills, lack of strong worker protection, kids doing active shooter drills, (three people from my clients have had their kids do this in the past few weeks) maybe 1 week…

Yep, totally fair about making less money being a problem in the US, and it's a big problem right now in the US where the upper class has a totally different experience than the middle/lower class, but taking your salary down isn't what we were talking about. The point is that, at this income level, the quality of life in the US shoots up substantially, to the point where it matches what you describe, but also isn't…

I still don't get the reference. Why don't you just be clear and unambiguous?

I know that access to healthcare isn't a necessarily a given in the US. I know that kids prepare for shooters to enter their schools. I know my friends husband doesn't have the correct level of healthcare(don't know the terminology) for his bowel cancer so now the family is broke, I know what I know because I have worked with Americans for years.

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by eatYourFood » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

rmk wrote: post #85

eatYourFood wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just cultural, it's personal too. I've worked with (and still work with) many Americans, let me give you an idea. I get paid 174,000 USD per year I take 6 weeks off (vacation) per year to sail in the Mediterranean and to SKI in the French and Swiss alps. This is fully paid and it would be highly abnormal if I did not take this time off. My wife was paid her full salary for 6 months to have a baby. The govern…

Most of my comments stem from personal experience; the assumption is that you are comparing someone who makes a similar amount of money here. > I take 6 weeks off (vacation) per year to sail in the Mediterranean and to SKI in the French and Swiss alps. This is fully paid and it would be highly abnormal if I did not take this time off. Americans differ from you in this aspect, but it's a cultural difference. It is ver…

> Elected representatives who are meeting constituents do not get stabbed to death here.

Except Gabby Giffords who got shot in the head. The would be assassin then shot 19 other people at a constituency meeting...... our MP getting killed didn't affect the average person, your MP getting shot lead to 19 other people being shot.

"Giffords was shot in the head during the 2011 Tucson shooting, which occurred at a constituency meeting held in a supermarket parking lot in Casas Adobes, Arizona."

"A man ran up to the crowd and began firing a 9mm pistol with a 33-round magazine,[36][37] hitting 19 people,[38] and killing six"

You're making a lot of excuses for your country by taking a very narrow view of everything I said. I was always told Americans sing the national anthem in the morning at school to brainwash the kids, this clearly worked on you.

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

#104

Post by TameAntelope » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

eatYourFood wrote: post #102

TameAntelope wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, totally fair about making less money being a problem in the US, and it's a big problem right now in the US where the upper class has a totally different experience than the middle/lower class, but taking your salary down isn't what we were talking about. The point is that, at this income level, the quality of life in the US shoots up substantially, to the point where it matches what you describe, but also isn't…

I still don't get the reference. Why don't you just be clear and unambiguous? I know that access to healthcare isn't a necessarily a given in the US. I know that kids prepare for shooters to enter their schools. I know my friends husband doesn't have the correct level of healthcare(don't know the terminology) for his bowel cancer so now the family is broke, I know what I know because I have worked with Americans for…

I think I was clear; I simply don't believe you.

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #4

I really think people who leave software engineering altogether mostly failed to find a company that respects engineers/pays well. If you are good at the algorithms interviews, you can make ~400k with 5 to 8 years of experience. Do that for a decade, and with some saving and basic investing, you are basically done working. On the other hand, fail to pass the algorithms interview, you are essentially stuck at 140-170k…

I'd argue that you can make 140-170k and _be happy at a good workplace_. All I'm saying, the money plays a role only up to a certain point. I'm very hapoy with my job and it would be a nightmare for me to work at a FAANG

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by rmk » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 2:45 AM UTC

eatYourFood wrote: post #103

rmk wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of my comments stem from personal experience; the assumption is that you are comparing someone who makes a similar amount of money here. > I take 6 weeks off (vacation) per year to sail in the Mediterranean and to SKI in the French and Swiss alps. This is fully paid and it would be highly abnormal if I did not take this time off. Americans differ from you in this aspect, but it's a cultural difference. It is ver…

> Elected representatives who are meeting constituents do not get stabbed to death here. Except Gabby Giffords who got shot in the head. The would be assassin then shot 19 other people at a constituency meeting...... our MP getting killed didn't affect the average person, your MP getting shot lead to 19 other people being shot. "Giffords was shot in the head during the 2011 Tucson shooting, which occurred at a consti…

> You're making a lot of excuses for your country by taking a very narrow view of everything I said. I was always told Americans sing the national anthem in the morning at school to brainwash the kids, this clearly worked on you.

Way to go ad-hominem here. You have shown that you are not here for any sort of reasonable discussion. Citing shooter drills, national anthems at school and silly comments about me being brainwashed are further proof of your inability to have a reasonable discussion.

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by eatYourFood » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

rmk wrote: post #106

eatYourFood wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Elected representatives who are meeting constituents do not get stabbed to death here. Except Gabby Giffords who got shot in the head. The would be assassin then shot 19 other people at a constituency meeting...... our MP getting killed didn't affect the average person, your MP getting shot lead to 19 other people being shot. "Giffords was shot in the head during the 2011 Tucson shooting, which occurred at a consti…

> You're making a lot of excuses for your country by taking a very narrow view of everything I said. I was always told Americans sing the national anthem in the morning at school to brainwash the kids, this clearly worked on you. Way to go ad-hominem here. You have shown that you are not here for any sort of reasonable discussion. Citing shooter drills, national anthems at school and silly comments about me being bra…

I clearly showed one of your points to be nothing but alarmism and now you've chosen to run away.

You think teaching your children how to deal with school shooters isn't part of general standards of living... damn...

Re: I am getting out of software development after 10 years of coding

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Post by eatYourFood » Tue, Oct 26, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

TameAntelope wrote: post #104

eatYourFood wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get the reference. Why don't you just be clear and unambiguous? I know that access to healthcare isn't a necessarily a given in the US. I know that kids prepare for shooters to enter their schools. I know my friends husband doesn't have the correct level of healthcare(don't know the terminology) for his bowel cancer so now the family is broke, I know what I know because I have worked with Americans for…

I think I was clear; I simply don't believe you.

Are the issues I listed even in the news? I just looked on CNN and FOX homepage and didn't see any of those issues?