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Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by aaaaaaaaa5432 »

willvarfar wrote: post #5

I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

> Which employers are the “nice company making nice things and you’ll be able to sleep at night” tech companies nowadays?

Atlassian.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #4
rStar wrote: post #3

if we had a functioning government, and if all the rich republicans in california weren’t pretending to be democrats, we wouldn’t have this problem.

If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass a-hoppin'

If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bicycle.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by emn13 »

darkwater wrote: post #50
mrweasel wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only two of those I’m pretty sure could survive on their own is search and YouTube. Android and Chrome pretty much doesn’t have a business case. GCP might be big enough at this point, but is still just burning ad money. GSuite/GMail is again a maybe, but can it afford the infratructure? They would at least have to cribble the free tier.

> Android and Chrome pretty much doesn’t have a business case. The 30% fee on everything Play Store seems a good enough business case to me.

But it's also fragile; that fee might not turn out to be sustainable.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by rakoo »

willvarfar wrote: post #5

I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

Go for a non-capitalist org. The very idea of profits over anything else is what drove Google, Facebook, Twitter and friends to where they are.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by melomal »

willvarfar wrote: post #5

I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

It's amazing that when you consider most tech companies based their entire perks strategy off the back of free food, beers, playgrounds, sleeping pods etc all in the name of keeping workings in the build at all times a la Facebook and Google.

A little like the casinos tricks where you will never see a clock or the time inside one. There's a slight tilt on all pavements in Las Vegas that slowly push you towards the building, all without you knowing that it's happening.

Brainwashing at it's finest.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by xuki »

mrweasel wrote: post #45
flyinglizard wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see at least five entirely separate units with very little synergy: 1. Search + Maps 2. GSuite + Gmail 3. GCP 4. YouTube 5. Android + Chrome Each can probably support its own P&L sheet, other than perhaps the last (not sure about that one). Such a move would surely limit innovation (I can’t see these smaller entities doing things like mobile ASIC development, although if TPU is under Search it would continue),…

The only two of those I’m pretty sure could survive on their own is search and YouTube. Android and Chrome pretty much doesn’t have a business case. GCP might be big enough at this point, but is still just burning ad money. GSuite/GMail is again a maybe, but can it afford the infratructure? They would at least have to cribble the free tier.

Android and Chrome can get a lot of money from search companies to be the default search option. Currently Google is paying nothing for that, maybe another search company would emerge.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by p49k »

ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #58

Are there any publicly traded competitors to the ad exchanges Google and Facebook run?

Yes, but you can't effectively use them unless you run them through Google Ad Manager, which gives Google special privileges/rights for their own ad inventory versus the competitor. For example, Google gets to look at the ad impression before anyone else, Google is required to win all tie-breakers, etc.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by andrei_says_ »

melomal wrote: post #85
willvarfar wrote: post #5

I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

It's amazing that when you consider most tech companies based their entire perks strategy off the back of free food, beers, playgrounds, sleeping pods etc all in the name of keeping workings in the build at all times a la Facebook and Google. A little like the casinos tricks where you will never see a clock or the time inside one. There's a slight tilt on all pavements in Las Vegas that slowly push you towards the bu…

See mike Monteiro’s Broken by Design for a fascinating expose of the workings of SV tech giants and the complete lack of ethics driving them.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by PicassoCTs »

willvarfar wrote: post #5

I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

Anything with no shareholders.. Maybe that business model needs a revisit by the law. As in, if you hold share, you also hold liability (beyond loss of value). As in, you are open to a lawsuit if a company you invested in engages in unethical behavior and your votes did go towards that behavior.

Strangle the socio-pathic plant at its root forever.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Post by nicoburns »

mrweasel wrote: post #45
flyinglizard wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see at least five entirely separate units with very little synergy: 1. Search + Maps 2. GSuite + Gmail 3. GCP 4. YouTube 5. Android + Chrome Each can probably support its own P&L sheet, other than perhaps the last (not sure about that one). Such a move would surely limit innovation (I can’t see these smaller entities doing things like mobile ASIC development, although if TPU is under Search it would continue),…

The only two of those I’m pretty sure could survive on their own is search and YouTube. Android and Chrome pretty much doesn’t have a business case. GCP might be big enough at this point, but is still just burning ad money. GSuite/GMail is again a maybe, but can it afford the infratructure? They would at least have to cribble the free tier.

I’d bet that Gsuite could compete is they actually invested in improving the product. After all, office is still one of Microsoft’s major money spinners.
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