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Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by Pfhortune » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

ralmidani wrote: post #101

soylentcola wrote: post #94

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Oddly enough, this is why I stopped buying iOS devices. With my old Android phones/the one Android tablet I got I was able to install something useful and pared-down once they became older and unsupported. They work fine as readers/browsers on my home network or as "fancy" remotes and local-network media players. The only old iOS device I haven't sold/tossed is an iPad 2 which is unbearably slow for most things, and…

All valid points. But I’ve made the mistake of trading in or losing all of my old Android phones which had unlocked bootloaders. Also, installing a phone OS is more intimidating to me than, say, putting Debian on a laptop/desktop. I’m happy to go into a BIOS, play with voltages, overclock, etc. but please don’t ask me to hold some combination of buttons to start a process that can easily brick my phone.

As someone who has loaded custom roms on more than a couple of dozen Android devices over the years, it is really hard to brick a device installing an OS. The closest I came was an Xperia Play years ago, but even that was recoverable after pulling the battery.

These days there are some decently high guardrails for not bricking a device, as long as you follow installation instructions.

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by djmips » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

gokhan wrote: post #190

baby wrote: post #173

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VR is advancing at an incredible pace really, I don't think it's sad.

Can you give some examples? What was not possible and what's possible now?

In this particular case, it didn't have full tracking, you could only rotate your head (the 3dof mentioned in another comment). So even at launch it was behind the times. Full tracking is so much better, even required for VR to work.

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by snissn » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

i think i threw mine out

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by stagger87 » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #192

stagger87 wrote: post #163

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> generating billions in revenue. Source?

I was going to point out another HN'er that said this, but then I looked at the username and it turned out to be me in 2014. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7509095 Well, at least my ideas are consistent. As for the root source, I suppose I could just ask him now. But the idea came from a slashdot post. Carmack personally responded to some criticisms of Q3 code quality, and said that he was proud of it, and that…

I found this,

https://web.archive.org/web/20100312100358/http://www.idsoft...

5% royalties on games sold.

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by kingcharles » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

Cederfjard wrote: post #179

kingcharles wrote: post #159

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Yes, been a web developer since 1994. Framework churn is THE WORST. Ugh. Really, nothing in terms of outside appearance has changed. The web looks pretty much identical to when I was locked up in 2013. There are a lot more ads, and way more video ads. The Web uses up waaaay more RAM and CPU. Development, though, has been a bitch since I got out a couple of months ago. I want to use the latest frameworks, but I'm star…

> I can't get anything back as the court owns all the identity documents that I have and won't let me have them. In fact, when I asked a couple of weeks ago they said they have no idea where they put them all. This is perhaps not what you were expecting to be asked about, but I’m curious nonetheless. So when you reported to prison you had to hand in your passport, driver’s license etc? And now when you were released…

Everything except my passport was taken either from my person or from my house. My passport had to be handed over in order to get out of jail. Actually my passport was handed over to the prosecutor years before I was released. The judge wanted the prosecutor to have it because it normally is held by the court, but they had sold R. Kelly's passport when they had it. I ended up spending three extra weeks in custody because the passport needed to go to the jail and the prosecutor's office refused to walk it the 100ft from their office to the jail and made my family come and get it and walk it over themselves.

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by sbarre » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

ThatPlayer wrote: post #171

kall wrote: post #103

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Hm, I have an OG iPad that runs a few excellent apps (TouchOSC, Animoog, Samplr) well enough that it‘s still a worthwhile device with just those. TouchOSC in particular should get massive props. As of last year, it was still able to update and is solid and super responsive. The App Store still works and I can download the last compatible version of any app I own.

Except for Safari, which is tied to OS updates. And of course Apple don't allow other browsers on the store so now you're stuck on the outdated browser. I know my old iPad has issues with Home Assistant's web interface for example.

Apple allows other browsers in the App Store. I have Chrome on my iPad.

Or do you mean the underlying rendering engine?

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by sbarre » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #44

buildbot wrote: post #34

This is tangential, but I really wish that their would be legislation, valid retroactively, to enable old unsupported devices to still be utilized. I think this goes somewhat beyond right to repair? Take for example digital backs for medium format cameras - these things are built in low numbers, with high end FPGAs and camera sensors, with JTAG interfaces ready to go and everything - but then forgotten about a few ye…

> This is tangential, but I really wish that their would be legislation, valid retroactively, to enable old unsupported devices to still be utilized. Not at all. This is precisely on point, and directly intersects with the Right to Repair as well. It's about damn time we, as a society, put a stop to black box devices over which we have no ability to inspect, repair, or repurpose after the vendor decides to end suppor…

I wonder as we (slowly) march towards "greener" laws and more climate-conscious ways, if some of this will tie into that?

I feel like you could get good traction on right-to-repair if it was framed around waste reduction and a cleaner future.

Which means we might not get there for a generation still, but these things feel related to me.

Re: John Carmack pushes out unlocked OS for defunct Oculus Go headset

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Post by heavyset_go » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #175

what_is_orcas wrote: post #168

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I find it really interesting that you love TikTok. > it's actually fucking awesome for those of us with "neurodiversity". Can you expand upon that a bit? How engaged were you with social media before your sentence, and has that (or will that) change now that you've had some space from it? > we would see the occasional video on the news How does the picture that the media paints of the internet & social media compare…

I was really suprised about TikTok. I did a lot of social media marketing for nonprofits before I was locked up, so I was very into social media. The thing with TikTok is that there are tons of videos helping, supporting and bringing awareness to issues such as ADHD, OCD, Tourettes, differing sexualities, gender identity etc, that are really refreshing and have really helped me to understand myself and my neuro-probl…

> Also, for the first five years I didn't have any access to the news, for security reasons, so I was very cut off.

What did they get you for?

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Post by sosborn » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

maximedupre wrote: post #144

javajosh wrote: post #127

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Surely someone is archiving apks, just for the fun of it? I can imagine that someday we'd have a webarchive that embeds a simulation of the device where you can run that apk in your browser. Of course, if it's just an application shell dependent on a running backend, then yes it's not really an application so much as an "application shell" at this point, and you ALSO need to be able to move around the data corpus to…

Haha well that just blew my mind xD I personally don't really care about achieving anything. Why is this such a big thing? Why would we want to achieve all the APKs? There are too many of them lol History? Memories? Who cares, we're all going to die lol And with the qty of APKs, only 0.00000001% of them will ever be dug out of the archives.

> Why would we want to archive all the APKs?

It is hard to know what APKs (or anything really) will be interesting to people 30 years out. Archiving all of them gives our future selves a chance at finding what they want to see.

Here is an example pulled from a discussion I once had. Someone was looking for a really obscure feature phone game from the late 90's. I had played the original game on original hardware and commented about how bad that game was and that they weren't missing anything by not finding it. Their reply was essentially "I don't care if the game is any good, I really just want to experience what was like," which made sense to me after I heard it.

Anyway, the game was so bad at the time it was released that I doubt anyone felt like it would be worth revisiting in the future. And yet, 25-ish years later, they would be wrong.

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Post by CarelessExpert » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

sbarre wrote: post #207

CarelessExpert wrote: post #44

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> This is tangential, but I really wish that their would be legislation, valid retroactively, to enable old unsupported devices to still be utilized. Not at all. This is precisely on point, and directly intersects with the Right to Repair as well. It's about damn time we, as a society, put a stop to black box devices over which we have no ability to inspect, repair, or repurpose after the vendor decides to end suppor…

I wonder as we (slowly) march towards "greener" laws and more climate-conscious ways, if some of this will tie into that? I feel like you could get good traction on right-to-repair if it was framed around waste reduction and a cleaner future. Which means we might not get there for a generation still, but these things feel related to me.

They're absolutely related. In fact, a lot of discussions around the Right to Repair specifically center on the issue of e-waste. For example, you'll find that all over Framework's website. From https://frame.work/ca/en/about :

> Consumer electronics is broken. We’ve all had the experience of a busted screen, button, or connector that can’t be fixed, battery life degrading without a path for replacement, or being unable to add more storage when full. Individually, this is irritating and requires us to make unnecessary and expensive purchases of new products to get around what should be easy problems to solve. Globally though, it’s much worse. We create over fifty million tons of e-waste each year. That’s 6 kg or 13 lb per person on earth per year, made up of our former devices. We need to improve recyclability, but the biggest impact we can make is generating less waste to begin with by making our products last longer.

Certainly, for myself, the right to repair is very much about ending the cycle of disposable products so we can create a more sustainable future.